Vince Young and the Disappearing Sausage Trick

[austintexanite]

Originally Posted by mexican_texan

My goodness. It's David Carr all over again.

Originally Posted by Wolf

http://forums.titansonline.com/forum...ad.php?t=32245

wow, just wow

Originally Posted by mexican_texan

The fanbase is slowly splitting in two.

All those posts reminded me of this board for the past two years. The line or the qb? I'm a big Texas fan, but I never wanted him as our QB. We should have taken Brees as a free agent. Anyway, I like the post where the Tacks fans are getting tired of all the Texas fans that became Titan fans, pretty funny stuff.

[ATX]

Originally Posted by austintexanite

All those posts reminded me of this board for the past two years. The line or the qb? I'm a big Texas fan, but I never wanted him as our QB. We should have taken Brees as a free agent. Anyway, I like the post where the Tacks fans are getting tired of all the Texas fans that became Titan fans, pretty funny stuff.

Yeah, they want to take Limas Sweed (WR - UT) as their first round pick. Guessing it's those UT fans, but who knows.

[austintexanite]

Originally Posted by atxcoolguy

Yeah, they want to take Limas Sweed (WR - UT) as their first round pick. Guessing it's those UT fans, but who knows.

LOL, I'm pretty sure you are right about that.

[chicagotexan2]

All he does is win!!! (when his team can overcome his many screw-ups). I love it.

[toronto]

Originally Posted by kastofsna

i have to say that i'm stunned that Young sucks so far. i expected so much better from a WINNER like him. because that's all that matters for college QB's is their ability to win at big schools with blue chip talent all around them.

I honestly believe that his regression this season is Fisher's fault. The club went to 6-2 by playing "Fisherball" and relying on a terrific start from the defense. Problem was that as soon as they needed the offense, Fisherball was all they had, and Fisher has absolutely no clue how to let an offensive co-ordinator actually let his QB loose. For years he corralled Mcnair, and now he's doing it this year with VY. Check out how many carries the Titans have from their RBs then compare it with Eddie's peak seasons. Fisher hasn't adapted at all.

Sigh,
Signed 30 years of this BS Titan/Oiler fan.

[Mr teX]

Originally Posted by toronto

I honestly believe that his regression this season is Fisher's fault. The club went to 6-2 by playing "Fisherball" and relying on a terrific start from the defense. Problem was that as soon as they needed the offense, Fisherball was all they had, and Fisher has absolutely no clue how to let an offensive co-ordinator actually let his QB loose. For years he corralled Mcnair, and now he's doing it this year with VY. Check out how many carries the Titans have from their RBs then compare it with Eddie's peak seasons. Fisher hasn't adapted at all.

Sigh,
Signed 30 years of this BS Titan/Oiler fan.

Yeah, but Fisherball isn't responsible for those 16 picks. I saw the game highlights from yesterday's game, those balls should've never been thrown & he's had lots of those throughtout the year. His WR's aren't helping him true, but his decision-making is still terrible. You expect that from a 2nd year QB, but he's showing little if any progression from last year in this regard & isn't a players' biggest jump in progression supposed to be from yr. 1 to 2?

fisher isn't an *****, there's a reason he's been there for so long & it's b/c he knows where his bread is buttered for now.

I keep reading from Titans fans that they want to see more bootlegs to utilize VY's athleticism. The problem with that is, teams are now waiting on it (Mario got one of his 2.5 sacks in the last titans game off of a VY bootleg ) & the run game hasn't exactly been anything to fear with them. In addition to this, VY isn't exactly bullseye when throwing on the run. You also don't want your QB running to much or he will end up getting hurt in some capacity or another. If he can't run a regular 1 read offense in the NFL (which is what Fisher trying to do now), what makes you think that he can handle a spread offense at this level where you have to be sure of what you're looking at before you throw?

Bottom line, he's just going to have to beat good teams **consistently** with his arm, otherwise teams will continue to play him this way & fisher will continue to hold him back, which by the way i don't blame him for doing either.

[PapaL]

Just read this in Peter King's MMQB; link:

12. Tennessee (7-6). Isn't it funny how, looking back at the 2006 draft, we all laughed at Houston for even suggesting Mario Williams was better than Vince Young? Who's laughing now?

[Bulluck53]

I'm still laughing, I'd rather have VY then our second option....

I'll say it again, Vince is still learning. His struggles come down to a lot of things:

a-c. He's simply not that good right now
d. Chow is doing a bad job of suing VY's abilities.
e. VY has no confidence in anyone else on the offense except his line.

Everyone said coming out that he would be a 2-3 year project, last year did nothing to change that, IMO. I will judge his play after next year.

[brakos82]

Originally Posted by Bulluck53

I will judge his play after next year.

Even Carr was halfway decent season in his third year.

[ATX]

Originally Posted by Bulluck53

I'm still laughing, I'd rather have VY then our second option....

I'll say it again, Vince is still learning. His struggles come down to a lot of things:

a-c. He's simply not that good right now
d. Chow is doing a bad job of suing VY's abilities.
e. VY has no confidence in anyone else on the offense except his line.

Everyone said coming out that he would be a 2-3 year project, last year did nothing to change that, IMO. I will judge his play after next year.

Yeah 2-3 years if he sat the first year, but he has already played more than people thought he would play.

[Bulluck53]

Doesn't change anything. Don't get me wrong I'm not defending his play, I think I've made it clear I'm not happy with it. But QBs take time, and he is no exception to that. He's not Peyton or Big Ben, he needs some time.

But if you have watched this team at all you know Fisher and Chow are trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. If they weren't planning on changing the offense to his advantage they shouldn't have picked him.

[ATX]

Originally Posted by Bulluck53

Doesn't change anything. Don't get me wrong I'm not defending his play, I think I've made it clear I'm not happy with it. But QBs take time, and he is no exception to that. He's not Peyton or Big Ben, he needs some time.

But if you have watched this team at all you know Fisher and Chow are trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. If they weren't planning on changing the offense to his advantage they shouldn't have picked him.

They didn't want Vince, they wanted Cutler or Leinart....Bud wanted Vince. I think they're realizing that what worked for Vince in college won't work for him in the NFL and are trying to figure out what works.

[Bulluck53]

I know and I agree, Bud should die. But my point was get rid of them if they won't put him in the position to do his best... and who writes the checks?

I don't agree with that. What worked for him in college was the spread offense from the gun. The past whatever weeks he has lead the NFL in yardage running that scheme. I realize the record was 1-3. Again, VY is not Peyton. He needs a supporting cast and a defense (I never said "he just wins"). He needs some playmakers (at least one, please).

But yesterday we go back to Fisherball and he goes back into the rut. They need to let him play his game or bring in somebody who will.

[TEXANS84]

Madden curse, minus the injury.

[ATX]

Originally Posted by Bulluck53

I know and I agree, Bud should die. But my point was get rid of them if they won't put him in the position to do his best... and who writes the checks?

I don't agree with that. What worked for him in college was the spread offense from the gun. The past whatever weeks he has lead the NFL in yardage running that scheme. I realize the record was 1-3. Again, VY is not Peyton. He needs a supporting cast and a defense (I never said "he just wins"). He needs some playmakers (at least one, please).

But yesterday we go back to Fisherball and he goes back into the rut. They need to let him play his game or bring in somebody who will.

His game won't work in the NFL IMO and he needs to be developed into a different type of QB or he won't last too long. What works in college doesn't work in the NFL, that's why the option is not very effective in the NFL. It's a different game and alot of great players in college don't cut it in the NFL. It was a stretch to take him as the 3rd pick IMO.

[Second Honeymoon]

Originally Posted by brakos82

Even Carr was halfway decent season in his third year.

no he wasn't. he was horrible.

[Bulluck53]

You're entitled to your opinion

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Bulluck53

Bud should die.

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[Silver Oak]

Originally Posted by Bulluck53

Bud should die.

rep.

[PapaL]

Originally Posted by TEXANS84

Madden curse, minus the injury.

Wow - your right. And I thought the Madden curse was the worst possible thing. Little did I know playing like crap, being healthy and having the Madden curse was possible