Are the Bucs Really a Better Team Than the Texans? - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

**eriadoc** · 12-07-2007

Well, you are as good as your record, so in that regard, yes. But if you go position by position, should they be any better than us? The injuries have certainly killed the Texans' chances of winning, but even when folks were healthy, they haven't performed up to par. Guys that this team depends on have turned the ball over at an alarming rate, and they've made boneheaded play after another.

For all the flashes that we see from Schaub, he's thrown 9 TDs in 12 games (11 games?). He's thrown as many picks, and fumbled as well. In addition, he's been nicked and dinged seemingly everytime he gets hit. I know guys can't control injuries, but why should Schaub get a pass on the injury front, when guys like DD were written off for being a poor player due to injury? It's still early in the Schaub era, so that book isn't being written yet, but it's not too early to start asking critical questions, IMO. The Bucs have Jeff Garcia, some of the time, and Luke McCown the rest. If you had asked me prior to the season who I'd take of the three, it would have been Schaub in a landslide. It still would be. But if you asked me which set of numbers I'd rather have, not the least of which is WINS, I'd have to choose Garcia (11 TDs, 3 INT, 2100+ yds).

As far as the rest of the offense goes, Ahman Green or Cadillac? Moot point, as neither have played for their teams. The Bucs definitely have a better backup, and this is a big reason why their team is doing well. AJ over Galloway, easily! Except, Galloway has 18.2 YPC, 6 TDs, and is coming up on 1000 yards. He will probably get it Sunday, in fact. AJ has been awesome, for about three games. OD is a great TE prospect .... that keeps fumbling the ball. I don't know much about Alex Smith.

On defense, they still have Ronde Barber and Derrick Brooks. That's a nice duo, to which they added Cato June. Is that better than our trio of Mario, Dunta, and Ryans? Should it be? Obviously defense is not played by three guys; I'm just thinking out loud in this thread.

I'ts disheartening to see teams like the Bucs do as well as they do with less than premium talent, while we can't seem to get going at all. There are a lot of teams that hover around mediocrity that I think our players should compare to, but then we fall well below mediocrity. This season in particular, I would tend to think of some of our players as good, but then they fumble, or throw a pick, and that has to factor into player evaluation at some point. The turnovers are killing us.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but I needed to talk football today

Second Honeymoon · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by eriadoc

Well, you are as good as your record, so in that regard, yes. But if you go position by position, should they be any better than us? The injuries have certainly killed the Texans' chances of winning, but even when folks were healthy, they haven't performed up to par. Guys that this team depends on have turned the ball over at an alarming rate, and they've made boneheaded play after another.

For all the flashes that we see from Schaub, he's thrown 9 TDs in 12 games (11 games?). He's thrown as many picks, and fumbled as well. In addition, he's been nicked and dinged seemingly everytime he gets hit. I know guys can't control injuries, but why should Schaub get a pass on the injury front, when guys like DD were written off for being a poor player due to injury? It's still early in the Schaub era, so that book isn't being written yet, but it's not too early to start asking critical questions, IMO. The Bucs have Jeff Garcia, some of the time, and Luke McCown the rest. If you had asked me prior to the season who I'd take of the three, it would have been Schaub in a landslide. It still would be. But if you asked me which set of numbers I'd rather have, not the least of which is WINS, I'd have to choose Garcia (11 TDs, 3 INT, 2100+ yds).

As far as the rest of the offense goes, Ahman Green or Cadillac? Moot point, as neither have played for their teams. The Bucs definitely have a better backup, and this is a big reason why their team is doing well. AJ over Galloway, easily! Except, Galloway has 18.2 YPC, 6 TDs, and is coming up on 1000 yards. He will probably get it Sunday, in fact. AJ has been awesome, for about three games. OD is a great TE prospect .... that keeps fumbling the ball. I don't know much about Alex Smith.

On defense, they still have Ronde Barber and Derrick Brooks. That's a nice duo, to which they added Cato June. Is that better than our trio of Mario, Dunta, and Ryans? Should it be? Obviously defense is not played by three guys; I'm just thinking out loud in this thread.

I'ts disheartening to see teams like the Bucs do as well as they do with less than premium talent, while we can't seem to get going at all. There are a lot of teams that hover around mediocrity that I think our players should compare to, but then we fall well below mediocrity. This season in particular, I would tend to think of some of our players as good, but then they fumble, or throw a pick, and that has to factor into player evaluation at some point. The turnovers are killing us.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but I needed to talk football today

Garcia was looked at as the better QB before the season started but the Texans went for a long term fix rather than a stop-gap in Garcia. Garcia was coming off a great year last year and without doubt was viewed as a QB more ready to win in 2007 than Schaub was.

As for their defensive talent, I would take their secondary in a heartbeat...even when ours is healthy. We still have the worst safety talent in the NFL and its been that way since day one.

As for their running game, I would take theirs....captain obvious. The passing game is a draw because AJ>Joey and Garcia>Schaub.

As for their coaching, there isnt even a comparison. One of the best coaching staffs in the league reside in Tampa Bay while arguably the worst coaching staff in the league resides in our fair city, Houston. Our coaching staff is utterly inept and completely pathetic. Kubiak is ok as a coordinator but is just a horrible head coach. Horrible. A flatlining yes man who has surrounded himself by a bunch of horrible coaches who all came on the cheap....just like McNair likes it.

Black Spot · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by eriadoc

It's disheartening to see teams like the Bucs do as well as they do with less than premium talent.

Less than premium talent? Are you kidding me? Obviously you don't know that the Bucs roster boasts something like 20 former first round picks. They have the most former first round picks on one team in the NFL. You also obviously don't know that some of our great players like Ronde Barber, Jeff Garcia and Earnest Graham aren't even among these players who were formerly selected in the first round.

On to our defense, NFL teams that copy us (all 25+ of them) are again watching film of our defense to teach their own players how to play the Tampa 2 scheme correctly.

The Bucs D is back. Watchout NFL.

crunkbuc4d1 · 12-07-2007

Ok, the problem with this thread is that all you did was mention the big named players on our roster. The reason for the Bucs' success this season is because they went with a youth movement, but kept or added a veteran leader on each level of the team. They also made changes on the coaching staff. So do some research or ask a Bucs fan a little something about the team before you break down the roster.

From top to bottom, I'd take our talent over yours because ours know how to win. There may be a few more physically gifted players on your roster, but that doesn't mean anything when u end a game with a "L".

crunkbuc4d1 · 12-07-2007

Spot...you beat me by a few seconds.

Black Spot · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by eriadoc

The Bucs have Jeff Garcia, some of the time, and Luke McCown the rest.

What the F are you talking about? Jeff Garcia has played in every game but one, last week against the Saints....and also, Luke McCown didn't see a snap all season long until last week.

Go watch some tape or look at thier season stats dude. Cuz you are WAY off base.

spent · 12-07-2007

I was just waiting to see who would hit "reply" first......

crunkbuc4d1 · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by spent

I was just waiting to see who would hit "reply" first......

Is it safe to say that eriadoc has stirred up the deck?

Black Spot · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by crunkbuc4d1

Spot...you beat me by a few seconds.

I don't know wtf he was talking about Crunk...lol.

If we wanted to we can go through each roster 1-53, I'm pretty sure the balance is going to heavily favor TB. So much so that the scale would look like this...

**SheTexan** · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by spent

I was just waiting to see who would hit "reply" first......

GOOD luck Buc fans, on any other Sunday!!

You do have the cutest coach in the NFL, that's for sure!!

crunkbuc4d1 · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by Black Spot

I don't know wtf he was talking about Crunk...lol.

If we wanted to we can go through each roster 1-53 and I'm pretty sure the balance is going to favor TB so much that the scale would look like this...

Spot...be nice. Don't get too worked up over this.

But really...what was he thinking?

Black Spot · 12-07-2007

I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB - Bucs
RB - Bucs
FB - Bucs
WR - Push
TE - Bucs
OT - Bucs
OG - Bucs
C - Bucs

DE - Bucs
DT - Bucs
OLB - Bucs
MLB - Bucs
CB - Bucs
FS - Bucs
SS - Bucs

K - Bucs
P - Bucs

Head Coach - Bucs
Offensive Assistants - Bucs
Defensive Coordinator - Bucs
Defensive Assistants - Bucs

Record (8-4) - Bucs

GM - Bucs
Owner - Bucs

Stadium - Bucs
City/Area - Bucs

HJam72 · 12-07-2007

Wow, that was really close.

**HOU-TEX** · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by Black Spot

I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB - Bucs
RB - Bucs
FB - Bucs
WR - Push
TE - Bucs
OT - Bucs
OG - Bucs
C - Bucs

DE - Bucs
DT - Bucs
OLB - Bucs
MLB - Bucs
CB - Bucs
FS - Bucs
SS - Bucs

K - Bucs
P - Bucs

Head Coach - Bucs
Offensive Assistants - Bucs
Defensive Coordinator - Bucs
Defensive Assistants - Bucs

Record (8-4) - Bucs

GM - Bucs
Owner - Bucs

Stadium - Bucs
City/Area - Bucs

Wow, thanks for the unbiased opinion.

crunkbuc4d1 · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

Wow, thanks for the unbiased opinion.

Honestly most of the list is right. the only position that I think the Texans are better at is WR.

I'm not touching the Stadium or City/Area with a 10ft pole.

Black Spot · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by HJam72

Wow, that was really close.

Just trying to show how the "Bucs do as well as they do with less than premium talent".

**HOU-TEX** · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by crunkbuc4d1

Honestly most of the list is right. the only position that I think the Texans are better at is WR.

I'm not touching the Stadium or City/Area with a 10ft pole.

Possibly, but at least throw us a bone or two. We're hurtin here.

**Specnatz** · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by Black Spot

I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB - Bucs
RB - Bucs
FB - Bucs
WR - Push
TE - Bucs
OT - Bucs
OG - Bucs
C - Bucs

DE - Bucs
DT - Bucs
OLB - Bucs
MLB - Bucs
CB - Bucs
FS - Bucs
SS - Bucs

K - Bucs
P - Bucs

Head Coach - Bucs
Offensive Assistants - Bucs
Defensive Coordinator - Bucs
Defensive Assistants - Bucs

Record (8-4) - Bucs

GM - Bucs
Owner - Bucs

Stadium - Bucs

City/Area - Bucs

Lets not just throw out some really objective things. You like the Bucs we get that but to say the owner is better or the stadium is better when you most likely have never been to Reliant. It is one of the Premiur stadiums in the league. It is not not me saying that, it has gotten so many rave reviews it is not even funny.

nnud28 · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by Black Spot

I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB -push with Schwab playing
RB - Bucs
FB - Bucs
WR - Push
TE - push
OT - Bucs
OG - Bucs
C - Texans (Don't like Wade)

DE -Texans
DT - Bucs
OLB - Bucs
MLB - Bucs
CB - Bucs
FS - Bucs
SS - Bucs

K - Bucs
P - Bucs

Head Coach - Bucs
Offensive Assistants - push
Defensive Coordinator - Bucs
Defensive Assistants - Bucs

fixed that 4 ya

**Texan_Bill** · 12-07-2007

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Originally Posted by Black Spot

I couldn't help it...so here goes.

QB - TEXANS
RB - TEXANS
FB - TEXANS
WR - TEXANS
TE -TEXANS
OT - TEXANS
OG - TEXANS
C - TEXANS

DE - TEXANS
DT -TEXANS
OLB - TEXANS
MLB - TEXANS
CB - TEXANS
FS - TEXANS
SS - TEXANS

K - TEXANS
P - TEXANS

Head Coach - TEXANS
Offensive Assistants - TEXANS
Defensive Coordinator - Got us there
Defensive Assistants - TEXANS

Record (8-4) - Bucs.... Caveat, its in the Nancy Football Conference
GM - TEXANS
Owner - TEXANS

Stadium - RELIANT
City/Area - H-TOWN - BY FarTEXANS

There, made a few corrections for you!!

12-07-2007	#1
eriadoc Texan-American Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 15,322 Rep Power: 69629	Are the Bucs Really a Better Team Than the Texans? Well, you are as good as your record, so in that regard, yes. But if you go position by position, should they be any better than us? The injuries have certainly killed the Texans' chances of winning, but even when folks were healthy, they haven't performed up to par. Guys that this team depends on have turned the ball over at an alarming rate, and they've made boneheaded play after another. For all the flashes that we see from Schaub, he's thrown 9 TDs in 12 games (11 games?). He's thrown as many picks, and fumbled as well. In addition, he's been nicked and dinged seemingly everytime he gets hit. I know guys can't control injuries, but why should Schaub get a pass on the injury front, when guys like DD were written off for being a poor player due to injury? It's still early in the Schaub era, so that book isn't being written yet, but it's not too early to start asking critical questions, IMO. The Bucs have Jeff Garcia, some of the time, and Luke McCown the rest. If you had asked me prior to the season who I'd take of the three, it would have been Schaub in a landslide. It still would be. But if you asked me which set of numbers I'd rather have, not the least of which is WINS, I'd have to choose Garcia (11 TDs, 3 INT, 2100+ yds). As far as the rest of the offense goes, Ahman Green or Cadillac? Moot point, as neither have played for their teams. The Bucs definitely have a better backup, and this is a big reason why their team is doing well. AJ over Galloway, easily! Except, Galloway has 18.2 YPC, 6 TDs, and is coming up on 1000 yards. He will probably get it Sunday, in fact. AJ has been awesome, for about three games. OD is a great TE prospect .... that keeps fumbling the ball. I don't know much about Alex Smith. On defense, they still have Ronde Barber and Derrick Brooks. That's a nice duo, to which they added Cato June. Is that better than our trio of Mario, Dunta, and Ryans? Should it be? Obviously defense is not played by three guys; I'm just thinking out loud in this thread. I'ts disheartening to see teams like the Bucs do as well as they do with less than premium talent, while we can't seem to get going at all. There are a lot of teams that hover around mediocrity that I think our players should compare to, but then we fall well below mediocrity. This season in particular, I would tend to think of some of our players as good, but then they fumble, or throw a pick, and that has to factor into player evaluation at some point. The turnovers are killing us. Anyway, I'm rambling, but I needed to talk football today __________________ “The Conservative’s first concern will always be: Are we maximizing freedom?” - Barry Goldwater

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crunkbuc4d1 Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 78 Rep Power: 6	Re: Are the Bucs Really a Better Team Than the Texans? Ok, the problem with this thread is that all you did was mention the big named players on our roster. The reason for the Bucs' success this season is because they went with a youth movement, but kept or added a veteran leader on each level of the team. They also made changes on the coaching staff. So do some research or ask a Bucs fan a little something about the team before you break down the roster. From top to bottom, I'd take our talent over yours because ours know how to win. There may be a few more physically gifted players on your roster, but that doesn't mean anything when u end a game with a "L".

12-07-2007	#5
crunkbuc4d1 Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 78 Rep Power: 6	Re: Are the Bucs Really a Better Team Than the Texans? Spot...you beat me by a few seconds.

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spent Buccaneer Freak Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 76 Rep Power: 6	Re: Are the Bucs Really a Better Team Than the Texans? I was just waiting to see who would hit "reply" first......

12-07-2007	#12
Black Spot Bucs HOF'er Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Seminole, Florida Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Re: Are the Bucs Really a Better Team Than the Texans? I couldn't help it...so here goes. QB - Bucs RB - Bucs FB - Bucs WR - Push TE - Bucs OT - Bucs OG - Bucs C - Bucs DE - Bucs DT - Bucs OLB - Bucs MLB - Bucs CB - Bucs FS - Bucs SS - Bucs K - Bucs P - Bucs Head Coach - Bucs Offensive Assistants - Bucs Defensive Coordinator - Bucs Defensive Assistants - Bucs Record (8-4) - Bucs GM - Bucs Owner - Bucs Stadium - Bucs City/Area - Bucs Last edited by Black Spot; 12-07-2007 at 01:23 PM.

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HJam72 Hall of Fame Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Over here. Age: 40 Posts: 10,472 Rep Power: 18004	Re: Are the Bucs Really a Better Team Than the Texans? Wow, that was really close. __________________

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