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Old 01-26-2005   #21
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personally, i beileve they have a very sufficient amount of pressure from nfl's "upperclass." if i recall, a couple of espn analysts said that the texans "arguably have one of the best defenses in the league." although i don't remember predictions, i beileve that implies a playoff birth (defense wins championships).

from a fan's standpoint though, mine inparticular, i beileve they have nothing prove. since their original season, all they have done is improve, and as long as they keep the same pace, they'll be in the playoffs soon enough.
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So far the Texans have been right where I thought they would be. 4-12, 5-11, and 7-9 is what I expected. The great thing about this season is that we found out where are weaknesses lie, gave some young players a chance to improve and play and show their worth. Now its time to fix the problems and play the best 11 guys we got who have shown they are the best. I think this is the most criticalest offseason in this team's short history. We fill the holes up with vertern who will give us salary cap hell the next couple of sesaons, then we failed. We go out and get some guys who will need to develop, but will turn out to be great players then we win. How he handle this offseason in my opinion, will foretell how the next couple of years will unfold.

I don't think its fair saying....."well Ceveland got to the playoffs in their 4th year..." I mean yeah they did, but they only lasted one game and look at where they are today. I would rather not make the playoffs this year and get it right than making the playoffs but damaing the future of this team.

Getting to the playoffs will not be easy--We play in one of the toughest divisons in the strongest conference. We will be battling for that playoff spot next year come week 16 and 17 in my mind. Is the pressure on? Yes. But then again in this age of parity, every team is expected to make the playoffs whether you where in last year or you had the #1 pick, the pressure is everywhere.
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I think we definatly need a complete TE. It will be interesting to see if, and where we draft one. That will probably a pretty clear signal as to what they are going to expect out of Jopprue. Even if Benny is "OK", having two solid TEs is not a bad thing, particularly with the type of offense DC would like to run. In truth, I expect we will use the 1st pick on a CB and then a NT in the 2nd after that pretty much o-line depth/development players, assuming we pick up a couple of OL in FA.
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na i have a hard time believing we will draft a CB in the first round, now i could see the draft after this one where we get a high round corner, just because glenn will not have as many years left and will still be a good mentor just as he was to d-rob. Now i can see us drafting a NT in the draft, and if not that trying to get on out of FA.
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like my dad always said "take your time and do it right, or you'll have to come back and do it again". <--- And i'm sure yall can figure out what that means.


OKOK it means if it takes a little longer (building our team), but will end up better than take your time (young talent for years to come). If ya rush it and it only works out for a little (vetrans with not many years left) while ya will have to start all over from scratch (rebuilding) !
Yea like the Dallas Cowboys, Tampa Bay, heck even the Raiders.
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I expect we will use the 1st pick on a CB
Well edo, this was bound to happen sooner or later so I will make my opinion nicely. Personally, I thought we were fine as far as the CB position is conserned. If we were to draft anyone for the secondary in the first it would probably be a safety. Not disputing you though because it just might happen. I mean I was blown away when we drafted Dunta. Let's see what suprises are thrown at us all this April.
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Most teams don't draft for need in any absolute manner with a high first round pick, they draft the best player in terms of potential, and if the need player grades close to the guy with slightly more potential then teams will tend to take the need guy. Most teams that pass better players for a need guy who may or may not be as good as the better player often regret it. Why pass on Andre Johnson to take Jordan Gross? I remember tons of people dogging the Texans for taking Robinson last year. We had other need positions and had good CB's already. Jacksonville picked right in front of us and took a WR due to need. BPA trumps need in the early first round.

Also, why would we draft a Safety in the first round?
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Pressure is there. They better improve or we might just be kicked out of the league.
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You make your team deeper by taking the best player . If it was solid position before now its a team strength with depth. If you needed a TE and took a LB because he was much higher on your board you now have a better players. Who's to say the next year a BETTER TE does 'nt fall in your lap.
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offhand, i have no idea how things worked out with the bucs......but......the panthers, jags, and even the lowly browns all recieved more expansion benifitts then did the texans. i'm also willing to bet all of the aforementioned teams were in easier divisions...
I disagree with some of what you said.

The Panthers and Jags had huge benefits when compared to the other expansion teams since the merger (1970).

The Browns had almost (if not) identical expansion conditions to those of the Texans. The Texans had more success with the expansion draft then the Browns because Casserly swung some under-the-table deals to get better quality players left unprotected (with the Jets, Jags, and Ravens). The Browns benefitted a bit more from a better crop of unrestricted free agents in 1999 than there were in 2002 (for the Texans), but they had to overpay for them.

In 1976 the Buccaneers and Seahawks had horrible expansion conditions. Other than getting the first two picks in the draft, they really didn't get many considerations. Throw in the fact that they didn't have free agency back then, and you can only imagine how truly bad their opening season rosters were.
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Also, why would we draft a Safety in the first round?
Im not sure where this came from. Even on sites like nfldraftcountdown.com, they have our #1 need as S.

I mean, Im sure we can upgrade Earl with a player like Thomas Davis, but I think it would almost be a waste.

My top 5 upgrade needs.

1. DT/DE
2. C/G
3. ILB
4. TE
5. RB
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nfl draft coutdown has no credibilty then.
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What did they say at this time last year anyone remember. I thought it was Wilfork or D.J. Williams.
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Im not sure where this came from. Even on sites like nfldraftcountdown.com, they have our #1 need as S.
All these draft sites are (a) pimping the latest players and (b) displaying ignorance of the Texans/just carrying past needs forward (heck several fans around here last year wanting Taylor hadn't even noticed McCree had replaced Stevens). Last year the draft sites were all listing Glenn Earl as a guy who would have been toward the top of the safety list but for his knee injury. It makes zero sense to say Earl showed enough bad qualities in his limited playing time this year to give up on him and draft another safety in the first couple of picks this year. To the contrary, Earl IMO looked pretty darn good for a rookie coming in on an emergency basis.

FYI--another one of these draft experts (can't remember which one) listed C as the strongest position on the Texans' offensive line--buyer beware on taking what they say as true.
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Anyone can be an expert. My sources tell me that the Texans will pick Derrick Johnson ,Pac-Man Jones or The best DL at 13. See theres nothing to it. At this point its all guessing . I did guess Dunta at the draft party. But my favorite prospect there was the Red headed chearleader.
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The Panthers and Jags had huge benefits
precisley.

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The Browns had almost (if not) identical expansion conditions to those of the Texans.
your mistaken.

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The Texans had more success with the expansion draft then the Browns because Casserly swung some under-the-table deals to get better quality players left unprotected (with the Jets, Jags, and Ravens).
teams had not yet learned to deal with the cap well and we're dumping their problems on the texans. we got the talent ,but we still had to pay the high salaries

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The Browns benefitted a bit more from a better crop of unrestricted free agents in 1999 than there were in 2002 (for the Texans), but they had to overpay for them.
the texans overpaid all of their expansion picks and have had to overpay every free agent since our inception....mckinney to wade.

http://ww2.nfl.com/ce/feature/0,3783,5012555,00.html

heres an insightful article. its primary focus is on the expansion draft itself and free agency. what it dosent discuss is the college draft benifitts of the expansion teams. to me it should be a foregone conclusion we didnt get the luxury of the picks previous expansion teams did. (particularly in the case of the cats jags and browns.)

i would also ponder the division strengths of the cats jags browns in their first 3 seasons vs the divison strength of our first 3 season (ie the strength of their competition vs ours).

and lastly i would be more then willing to guess they didnt have projected talents like henson and vick leave prior to their selection by the cats jags browns...something wich in hindsight probably looks insignifigant but is a factor nonetheless.

regardless of it all right or wrong i think the texans have done a comendable job overcomming numerous obsticles. one benifitt we have over all of those teams was a recent blueprint for what works and what dosent.

and dont get me wrong, i only disagree with some of what you say.
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The Browns had almost (if not) identical expansion conditions to those of the Texans. The Texans had more success with the expansion draft then the Browns because Casserly swung some under-the-table deals to get better quality players left unprotected (with the Jets, Jags, and Ravens).
Casserly/the Texans made a wise decision in addition to the under the table deals:

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Every club made five players available for the draft, as compared to six per team in 1995 and 1999. Like its three expansion predecessors, Houston must account for 38 percent of its salary cap or take between 30 and 42 players, whichever comes first. Casserly indicated Houston is choosing the former, and will take between 15 and 25 players, none older than 30.
From powda's link. Cleveland decided to go with numbers over quality, probably because they wanted cheap players and cap space to go after a better FA market. Houston went with fewer but better players under the 38%+ rule possibly because the FA market wasn't as good.
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I was a ST guy. Danta Robinson was a fine pick and I had no problem with it. And I said so at the time. I felt that if he fell to us ST would be a good fit by covering the need at the saftey position. My arguement then was, his tallent was suprior to anything they had on the roster. And it still is. People torched Danta early in the year when he was beaten one game, I defended him. He's a great young cover coner. But I still believe it would be nice to have an Ed Reed type roaming our back feild making plays. Would you trade Danta for ED Reed. I wouldn't. The Babin Trade however, was a bit pricey. We may see the next Kevin Green we may not. And the back up DTs on this team couldn't get the job done. What I do know about this football club is simply this at this time we cannot generrate a pass rush. We can not protect the passer. And in certain games when we should be able to rush the football this team cannot do it. I know I was there for the Green Bay game. If Casserly does go Defense first I will not have a problem with that. But they got to fix one of the three to go any where near the play offs. And btw, I was right about Payne last year. He wasn't the old Seth Payne last season. And may never be again. They should of taken a DT in the seond. But they spent it on Babin. Now they are stuck. The o-line is poor, the front seven on defense is still a work in progress with age and cap issues looming. They were inconsistant last year and they'll be inconsitant in '05 They could go 9-7 , 10-6. But the bottom ,line is we're chasing Manning and the Colts. Till we catch them all of this is horse hockey. We ain't no where near them yet. Indy, that's two loses right there. Can't beat the Steelers, no pass rush. That's three. Split with Jville and Tenn. that's five losses. Cleveland whom I'm guessing will end up with DJ will man handle the o-line again. That's six. We could win the other ten. Casserly is going to have to do a heck of a job this off season to get anywhere close to the play offs. We simply have too have many holes. It's going to take more than a draft to fix this team.

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Im going to have to agree with threetoedpete.

We have problems with both trenches. We're unable to contain a basic 4 man rush, even at times when a running back and a TE help out, so it doesn't take a genius to figure out why Carr can't get the ball downfield. On the other side, we can't get pressure on the QB without having to manufacture it with blitzing two people or more.

That is two serious problems right there. Solving just one of them in one offseason, via draft/free agents might be doable if the cards fall right. But to "expect" both of them to be solved in one offseason? No . . . that's unrealistic!

I'd say 8-8 or 9-7 with no playoffs, and no, I don't think anyone should call for heads to roll if we don't.

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With S.Payne suffering another injury at the very end of the season & G.Walker's production/energy disappearing into a black hole(plus he's on the wrong side of 30), 2/3rds of their
starting DL is a big question mark, making it the top priority this year in the
college draft. This is also based on the collective opinion that they are basically satisfied with Wand & Wade at the tackles - they admit needing
help at C/G but can get that help < first round. So if they stay @ 13, look for
them to go DT, unless an awesome talent from a non critical need position
(a M.Williams, a D.Johnson, e.g.), somehow is still on the board @ 13.
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