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Old 11-02-2007   #41
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The team seems to value 'high character' guys with nice smiles and niiiiiiiiice personalities. It is part of marketing a "family friendly" atmosphere, and I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that if the market continues to support habitually losing teams, then why should the Texans FO change the formula?
You summed up how I have felt for awhile. Its like watching a team resign guys that haven't done a thing but the team thinks, "this is the year" or "he offers us X, even though he doesn't give us Y or Z." (say Astros with Lane or Everett, etc) You never break that mold so no one knows what could happen. I just get tired of hearing "he works hard, give him/them time." After Year 5, fans don't have time. They want results. Its almost like they look at it as if we are in a never ending expansion mode and that people should have patience. I have none and am tired of watching the same results.
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That made me so mad. Nobody stood up for him. NO REACTION AT ALL. Just watched it and walked to the sidelines. That's pathetic.
if you WATCHED the game he was hit AFTER an interception, so most players were moving towards ball not looking back. I guess you would have preferred us getting offsetting penalties costing us yardage
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if you WATCHED the game he was hit AFTER an interception, so most players were moving towards ball not looking back. I guess you would have preferred us getting offsetting penalties costing us yardage
If you want an honest answer...at that point in the game and how it was going...I'd much rather have seen someone go knock the guys block off. It would have been the one highlight. Remember George Teague when TO ran to the star at Texas Stadium?Mad respect for that hit. Show some heart and take up for the QB.
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like charmin...


(i was going to say kleenex cottonelle with ripples due to it's glowing reviews at amazon.com (people call it the softest best toilet paper ever) but the name's just too damn long)

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I totally agree with the majority.

Hunter Smith gets away with an unneccesary shove. Our team doesn't respond.

Jax runs over us physically on both sides of the ball. Our team lays down.

Haynesworth pile drives our QB into the ground. Our team does nothing.

Florence blindsides our QB with a dirty hit. Our team lays down.

Soft? That doesn't even cover it.

Mario is the posterboy of SOFT
The whole offensive line - SOFT. Spencer had a mean streak, and he would have cracked Florence's skull. The rest of these guys should appear in a charmin commercial.
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Haynesworth pile drives our QB into the ground. Our team does nothing.
I guess people have short memories when making a point. Earlier in that same game Winston had to be restrained from fighting with Bullock and from confronting the official the first time Schaub was hit.
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I guess people have short memories when making a point. Earlier in that same game Winston had to be restrained from fighting with Bullock and from confronting the official the first time Schaub was hit.
I would like a mean streak on every down not just when the QB gets popped .

What does this mean ... it means that you drive your man until the whistle blows .

It means that on a sweep , I got DBs scared because they know I'm looking to squish them .

I want guys who don't make dumb penalties at the absolute worst times . Why are they making dumb penalties ... cause they're afraid of getting beat .
It means the guy across from me knows I'm a 110% guy all day long .

I won't my OL to take it personally when there's a sack and not let it happen again .
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I want guys who don't make dumb penalties at the absolute worst times . Why are they making dumb penalties ... cause they're afraid of getting beat .
So now we are back to being seers who know the hearts of all men? Couldn't be that Pitts or whomever is over anxious to hit his guy or that a dumb penalty is just that, being dumb. Naah, it has to be fear.
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The problem with our team is not that they are soft its due to the fact they cant stop anyone on third down. Thats not soft that is inept.
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I totally agree with the majority.

Hunter Smith gets away with an unneccesary shove. Our team doesn't respond.

Jax runs over us physically on both sides of the ball. Our team lays down.

Haynesworth pile drives our QB into the ground. Our team does nothing.

Florence blindsides our QB with a dirty hit. Our team lays down.

Soft? That doesn't even cover it.

Mario is the posterboy of SOFT
The whole offensive line - SOFT. Spencer had a mean streak, and he would have cracked Florence's skull. The rest of these guys should appear in a charmin commercial.

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Shawne Merriman was enraged. He was yelling before and after plays.

“I'm gonna hit the next (bleeper) in the mouth that I see,” he screamed more than a few times.

( do you think our players could hear what he was yelling?)

He could hardly believe the Houston Texans were running the ball, down by 32points this past Sunday.

“They just didn't want the game to get ugly,” Merriman said. “I was (ticked) off. I want to hit the quarterback. . . . Hell, yeah, I was frustrated. I was ready to start a fight at any point in that game.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...2chargers.html

Someone needs to tell Merriman that our guys won't fight.

Actually he was mostly upset because he wasn't able to add to his sack total because we were still attempting to run the ball.

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Sounds like someone is cycling again?!?!
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I for one and SICK TO DEATH of the "good guys" image that Houston sports seem to have. Everybody hates Steinbrenner(sp) and Jerry Jones...but at least you've gotta admire that those guys are willing to spend money and TAKE RISKS!!! Everybody had all but given up on TO and Jones rolled the dice. Could it backfire on him? Sure it could. But to be honest...the guy was great last year and has worked out well for the Cowboys.

Our ownership has got to get over this ridiculous hump of "good guys" and "give them time and they'll come around." Much like you guys...I'm ready to start seeing some results!!!
You know how Texans feel about their football .

We want a winner that can run the ball down your throat .

We want a defense that's feared because they're as nasty as they are talented . That way we can be extremely noisy and do our part to help .

We want a larger than life QB who does'nt flinch . Indiana Jones in pads if you will .

We want a coach that's part Will Rogers part Gen. Patton .

We would like to be in Super Bowl contention every year .

That's my 2cents .
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if you WATCHED the game he was hit AFTER an interception, so most players were moving towards ball not looking back. I guess you would have preferred us getting offsetting penalties costing us yardage
DAMN STRAIGHT SKIPPY! I am glad to see this thread and put off reading because I thought content was about something else. I posted Monday after the game on another thread that no one reacted to Schaub being "assasinated". Don't bring any crap about team not looking. The game went on for a long time after that hit. All had a chance to find out what happened. Listen, you do not have to be a thug to have loyalty to your team. I get P.O. when TJ or someone hits an opponent out of bounds or really late. But, arrgh! I was so mad I did a Kris brown field goal kick and almost threw my hip out. I wanted to tackle my tv.
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I haven't had the luxury of being able to actually SEE a Texans game this season...so I'm going to comment on what I've seen in the limited "highlights" and what I've read on the boards.

Everybody round these parts knows that I'm an Oilers fan from way back. The family had season tickets and we were there every Sunday. It was one of the greatest memories from my childhood.

The point for bringing that up was because the Oilers of the late 80s and early 90s had some swagger. They had attitude. Even with softspoken guys like Ray Childress...I saw him tie up with Olineman on MANY occassions because of this or that. Our team has NO ATTITUDE!!! We had guys like Cris Dishman & Lamar Lathom & Doug Smith and the list goes on and on and on.

With coaches like Jerry Glanville & D-coordinators like Buddy Ryan...WE HAD ATTITUDE!!! Win or Lose...people left the Dome knowing that they'd seen a fight and that their boys gave it everything they had!!!

I realize that everybody doesn't look at things the same way...but unless we get a guy in the locker room and on the field that can provide a SPARK...I think that we're bound for a few more years of mediocrity. It's common knowledge that unless a pond gets "stirred" it will become stagnant(sp). We've got descent leadership...but NO ENERGY!!! Nothing to spark us and get something going.

I for one and SICK TO DEATH of the "good guys" image that Houston sports seem to have. Everybody hates Steinbrenner(sp) and Jerry Jones...but at least you've gotta admire that those guys are willing to spend money and TAKE RISKS!!! Everybody had all but given up on TO and Jones rolled the dice. Could it backfire on him? Sure it could. But to be honest...the guy was great last year and has worked out well for the Cowboys.

Our ownership has got to get over this ridiculous hump of "good guys" and "give them time and they'll come around." Much like you guys...I'm ready to start seeing some results!!!

My two cents at least.
Must spread some around.....
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I haven't had the luxury of being able to actually SEE a Texans game this season...so I'm going to comment on what I've seen in the limited "highlights" and what I've read on the boards.

Everybody round these parts knows that I'm an Oilers fan from way back. The family had season tickets and we were there every Sunday. It was one of the greatest memories from my childhood.

The point for bringing that up was because the Oilers of the late 80s and early 90s had some swagger. They had attitude. Even with softspoken guys like Ray Childress...I saw him tie up with Olineman on MANY occassions because of this or that. Our team has NO ATTITUDE!!! We had guys like Cris Dishman & Lamar Lathom & Doug Smith and the list goes on and on and on.

With coaches like Jerry Glanville & D-coordinators like Buddy Ryan...WE HAD ATTITUDE!!! Win or Lose...people left the Dome knowing that they'd seen a fight and that their boys gave it everything they had!!!

I realize that everybody doesn't look at things the same way...but unless we get a guy in the locker room and on the field that can provide a SPARK...I think that we're bound for a few more years of mediocrity. It's common knowledge that unless a pond gets "stirred" it will become stagnant(sp). We've got descent leadership...but NO ENERGY!!! Nothing to spark us and get something going.

I for one and SICK TO DEATH of the "good guys" image that Houston sports seem to have. Everybody hates Steinbrenner(sp) and Jerry Jones...but at least you've gotta admire that those guys are willing to spend money and TAKE RISKS!!! Everybody had all but given up on TO and Jones rolled the dice. Could it backfire on him? Sure it could. But to be honest...the guy was great last year and has worked out well for the Cowboys.

Our ownership has got to get over this ridiculous hump of "good guys" and "give them time and they'll come around." Much like you guys...I'm ready to start seeing some results!!!

My two cents at least.
great points. it's gonna take a Reggie White-type move at the player level and/or a Bill Cowher-type move at the coach level to have a better chance at turning this thing around. Remember when we had guys like Sharper and Glenn on defense. yeah, we werent the best defense in the league but we had veterans who led by example and we at least resembled an NFL defense even during the Texans inaugural season. We let those guys go and next thing you know we are struggling on defense.

it's gonna take $$ to lure coaches to Houston. Pure and simple. McNair just have to be willing to do it and we can't worry about hurting coaches feelings. Coaching doesnt count against salary cap so I would rather McNair make a big splash with coaching and continue the mindset of building through the draft (which is the only way to be truly successful).
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if you WATCHED the game he was hit AFTER an interception, so most players were moving towards ball not looking back. I guess you would have preferred us getting offsetting penalties costing us yardage
And he was right in front of the two off side lineman who had to go past him to get to the ball carrier. They could have cleaned Florence's clock legally because, as you say, the play was still going on. I saw that by WATCHING the game and replays.
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I havent bothered to read the entire thread .... but im gonna give my opinion .

I dont think the hit was Illegal . I dont think the NFL shoulda fined the guy .

Schaub threw a pick and took a step in the direction of the play . He becomes a defender .... making him a target . If I was a defender I woulda drilled him too .....

On the other hand .... The rest of the offensive team should be hung by their toe nails for not putting that guy on his ass on every play from that point on . If im an O-Linemen Im head-hunting that player for the duration of the game .... just to send the message that you dont hit my QB .
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Ryan Young on Fox Sports had an interesting take on the Schaub cheap shot. First he pointed out that it happened right in front of two Texan lineman (replays show it was Pitts and Salaam) and they did nothing, although in his opinion there should have been retaliation.

Young went on to say that when he blocked for Testeverde, they had a scheme for interceptions. The backside tackle would protect Vinny, and the other would go after the ball carrier.
Well on his tuesday show on 610 he said he was watching the play down feild (Pitts) and didn't see the incident. Hollywood john's stance: saying they should of got even but done it in such a way as had the guy clipped with a TE on a crossing route. He also said we weren't 'wise' enoungh to figure that out at the time. I'm not a blood thristy indiviual. But you cannot let this sort of thing go unchecked. Sherriff Rodger with the 15k fine just told us...you handle it. As it should be. So either they handle it or we keep getting players blasted. No consequnces, why shouldn't they do it ? So what are we going to do about this ? Sheriff Rodger just pasted a target on all of our players. Don't care about MS's rice bowl...maybe they get tuned into their own.
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