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**Texanmike02** · 10-29-2007

I read a lot on here about the DL's failures. I also read a lot about the DB's failures. I can't help but think that one is causing the other.

Go ahead and read what I have to say I guess but let me know what you think. I really think its the DB's causing the failures. I know people are upset with Kubes for saying Mario is playing well, but then I think about what I see in the games. Mario isn't getting to the QB enough. I realize that. But look at the receivers that catch the ball. They are WIDE open. I don't mean they have a step or two. I mean in many cases they catch the ball, turn and take a few steps before anyone touches them. Its like the opposing QB is just waiting for them to get MORE open than they already are. I've said it before, if you line up 7 yards off the ball as a DB, your DL has almost no shot to make a play.

The other thing I've noticed, is we've upgraded the talent on the DL. I think you have to agree, or at least consider the fact that our DL this year is better than last. We haven't really touched the DB's. I know we've moved personnel around a bit, but we've still got basically the same players. Petey has to line up off the line because he's just not that fast. Our safeties provide less support than a training bra and I think QB's come in and know they don't need time to throw.

Teams could run comeback routes against us all day and there's not much we could do. I just keep replaying passes in my head, especially the two long ones. One was a complete duck and we still didn't have anybody in the picture as he slowed down to wait for the ball. How is a good DL supposed to fix that kind of a coverage issue? Maybe we don't need superstar DB's. I think we have a CB1 and 3 nickelbacks and dimebacks on this team.

Mike

Wolf · 10-29-2007

I am not impressed with our defensive coaching.. yes we need upgrades at safety and such, but we are getting it handed to us scheme wise.

TexansLucky13 · 10-29-2007

A weak pass rush is exposing a dismal defensive backfield. The line has the talent but lacks the coaching. We just don't have depth beyond Dunta at DB.

**Texanmike02** · 10-29-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf

I am not impressed with our defensive coaching.. yes we need upgrades at safety and such, but we are getting it handed to us scheme wise.

I just don't know right now to be honest. I'm sure you all noticed I'm pretty opinionated by now but I don't know if you can coach abysmal talent. I just don't know if it can be done. I mean I know you can make average look good, and good look great and all... but when 5 of your eleven starters (DB's and LBs not named Ryans) are horrible... I don't know what you are supposed to do. I think you can use coaching to hide deficiencies... but sometimes there's just not enough cloth available to cover the holes.

Just not sure at this point.

Mike

View Poll Results: Is the DL the cause of our passing defense problems or is it the DBs?
The DL is the problem	2	12.50%
The DBs are the problem	6	37.50%
Its a combination of both	7	43.75%
Neither. Its HWWDNSO's fault	1	6.25%
Voters: 16. You may not vote on this poll

10-29-2007	#1
Texanmike02 Site Contributor Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 35 Posts: 7,107 Rep Power: 28896	DB or DL I read a lot on here about the DL's failures. I also read a lot about the DB's failures. I can't help but think that one is causing the other. Go ahead and read what I have to say I guess but let me know what you think. I really think its the DB's causing the failures. I know people are upset with Kubes for saying Mario is playing well, but then I think about what I see in the games. Mario isn't getting to the QB enough. I realize that. But look at the receivers that catch the ball. They are WIDE open. I don't mean they have a step or two. I mean in many cases they catch the ball, turn and take a few steps before anyone touches them. Its like the opposing QB is just waiting for them to get MORE open than they already are. I've said it before, if you line up 7 yards off the ball as a DB, your DL has almost no shot to make a play. The other thing I've noticed, is we've upgraded the talent on the DL. I think you have to agree, or at least consider the fact that our DL this year is better than last. We haven't really touched the DB's. I know we've moved personnel around a bit, but we've still got basically the same players. Petey has to line up off the line because he's just not that fast. Our safeties provide less support than a training bra and I think QB's come in and know they don't need time to throw. Teams could run comeback routes against us all day and there's not much we could do. I just keep replaying passes in my head, especially the two long ones. One was a complete duck and we still didn't have anybody in the picture as he slowed down to wait for the ball. How is a good DL supposed to fix that kind of a coverage issue? Maybe we don't need superstar DB's. I think we have a CB1 and 3 nickelbacks and dimebacks on this team. Mike __________________ Sig by False Start - Thanks man Govern my country, NOT MY LIFE!

10-29-2007	#2
Wolf 100% Texan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kerrville Age: 43 Posts: 35,830 Rep Power: 40809	Re: DB or DL I am not impressed with our defensive coaching.. yes we need upgrades at safety and such, but we are getting it handed to us scheme wise. __________________ People who say that they don't know what to get me for my birthday have obviously never been to a liquor store

10-29-2007	#3
TexansLucky13 53d Signal Batt Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maryland Age: 25 Posts: 4,764 Rep Power: 1060	Re: DB or DL A weak pass rush is exposing a dismal defensive backfield. The line has the talent but lacks the coaching. We just don't have depth beyond Dunta at DB. __________________

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