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Old 10-08-2007   #1
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Default The Refs were idiots!

Okay, I can understand missing calls or making a subjective call that I disagree with. However, the following play shows their incompetence:

On the Ted Ginn reverse, Ginn was tackled on the 47. Trent Green was asleep on the 46 when TJohnson was flagged. Can someone explain to me why Miami got the ball on the 25?

It's pretty simple. There's a deadball foul. The ball is dead on the 47. Take the ball and walk 15 paces to the 32 yard line. How can you miss by 7 yards? Even if they attempted to assess the penalty from the point of the foul, the ball should have been placed on the 31!
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I suspect that they assesed it from the original line of scrimmage. I don't know if that is the correct thing to do though.
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I suspect that they assesed it from the original line of scrimmage. I don't know if that is the correct thing to do though.
No, the original line of scrimmage was at the 30 something. If that were the case, the ball should have been placed inside the 20- but that would have been an error because it was clearly a deadball foul.
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Default Re: The Refs were idiots!

We still won. Refs must have been mad.
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Default Re: The Refs were idiots!

Seems like the refs never called interference.

At times their DBs were all dry humping our receivers.

Yeah, the refs this game were stupid.
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Default Re: The Refs were idiots!

that's because the refs love the Dolphins!
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Default Re: The Refs were idiots!

on this we can completely agree dalemurphy.

it did seem as if we got the kindergarten crew of refs for this game. Wonder if it has to do with the 0-5 Phins and the 2-2 Texans playing. I bet the Patriots, Colts, and Green Bay don't get the bottem of the barrell crews like we do.
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That was a strange play all around. At first I thought Ginn went out of bounds (bad camera angle). Then I thought a Miami player would get called for blocking from the rear (just above Green & Johnson). Then the announcers said Green was hurt & Johnson got flagged.

I'm not trying to sound heartless here or to trivialize Trent Green's injury, but what exactly is the rule if one team gets a personal foul & the other team gets a clipping penalty?
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Default Re: The Refs were idiots!

I think we're having a stroke of bad luck with the refs over the last two games. I know one of the interference calls last week was bogus too.

I'm really hoping that nfl.com does that weekly stint with the ref where they ask him about a call and they talk about the Travis Johnson hit. I'd love some better detail of that entire play from the blocking to the spot.
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Default Re: The Refs were idiots!

I'm actually very intrigued about the ball spot. I listened on the radio while driving but noticed the ball was moved up way too far (as far as I can understand).
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For those of us that didn't see the game...would you care to elaborate on the penalty? What was the call???

They called a taunting penalty on Johnson for yelling at Green, who was face down in the turf. It was after the play was over, so that would make it a dead ball and the spot would be 15 yards from where the play ended.
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Default Re: The Refs were idiots!

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That was a strange play all around. At first I thought Ginn went out of bounds (bad camera angle). Then I thought a Miami player would get called for blocking from the rear (just above Green & Johnson). Then the announcers said Green was hurt & Johnson got flagged.

I'm not trying to sound heartless here or to trivialize Trent Green's injury, but what exactly is the rule if one team gets a personal foul & the other team gets a clipping penalty?
offsetting penalties repeat down
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I don't think those penalties off-set

I could be wrong, but I don't think they do...
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Default Re: The Refs were idiots!

I didn't see the play, but I thought Travis' penalty was a dead ball penalty...

I don't think a dead ball penalty can off-set a penalty that happened inbetween the whistles...
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Default Re: The Refs were idiots!

I noticed it at the time it happened, too. That was just weird, and I was rather irritated, but we still won at least.
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Yup. That's what it should've been.
A personal foul, unsportsmanlike penalty isn't a spot foul.
It should've been tacked on to the end of the play.

That is correct.

It really depends on when the second penalty occured.
If the play was over, and during the course of the play a penalty occured...then after the play was over there was a second penalty that occured...the penalties should be assessed in order of occurence. If however, the first play was over (as it seems to be the case) and there was a taunting penalty after the down had ended...the penalties wouldn't offset but would be marked off in order. This is the way it's done in HS football...but NFL does have it's own differences.
Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know all the rules
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Default Re: The Refs were idiots!

I thought the officiating was particularly bad again today. One of my neighbors at the game make comment that this was the same officiating crew that worked the Jags game a week ago. Is the any way to confirm this information?
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I thought the officiating was particularly bad again today. One of my neighbors at the game make comment that this was the same officiating crew that worked the Jags game a week ago. Is the any way to confirm this information?
Your neighbor is wrong. Larry Nemmer's crew officiated the Titan heartbreaker. Walt Coleman's bunch butchered the calls in J-Ville.

I can see how he became confused. Both were wearing black & white striped shirts.
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