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Old 10-15-2007   #61
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I gotta admit that with Matt sitting on the bench, I couldn't help thinking of Kubiak doing the same thing to Carr last year and to Steve Young before that (IIRC). I really don't think that's what was going on, but I couldn't help thinking it. A large part of his bad performance (and I do think it was bad) can be blamed on a piss-poor o-line that gets worse with every game.
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I gotta admit that with Matt sitting on the bench, I couldn't help thinking of Kubiak doing the same thing to Carr last year and to Steve Young before that (IIRC). I really don't think that's what was going on, but I couldn't help thinking it. A large part of his bad performance (and I do think it was bad) can be blamed on a piss-poor o-line that gets worse with every game.
19 of 31 for 259 yards and a pick that wasn't his fault is a "bad performance"? Not to mention the TD pass that was fumbled out of bounds.

I have to wonder what you used to say about YKW's 100 something yard games.

How the hell can somebody say it was a bad performance by Schaub? Sure, it wasn't the best, but dang. Freaking amazing!
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19 of 31 for 259 yards and a pick that wasn't his fault is a "bad performance"? Not to mention the TD pass that was fumbled out of bounds.

I have to wonder what you used to say about YKW's 100 something yard games.

How the hell can somebody say it was a bad performance by Schaub? Sure, it wasn't the best, but dang. Freaking amazing!
Couldn't have said it better. Not only that but at one point in the game he was 14-18 and pretty much had a TD his receiver screwed him on. As the game went on and got more out of hand he had to force some things and had the fumble but during the game I saw a guy making plays and still avoiding unnecessary sacks. It still amazes me people want to complain. He wasn't perfect but he was still better than anything we have had...and that was his "bad" game.
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Couldn't have said it better. Not only that but at one point in the game he was 14-18 and pretty much had a TD his receiver screwed him on. As the game went on and got more out of hand he had to force some things and had the fumble but during the game I saw a guy making plays and still avoiding unnecessary sacks. It still amazes me people want to complain. He wasn't perfect but he was still better than anything we have had...and that was his "bad" game.
It's crazy isn't it?

Schaub is:

-8th in completion %
-4th in yardage behind Brady, Favre and Romo
-T6th in yds/play
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-9th in passer rating

The only thing statwise that is bad is his number of TDs. How much of that is his fault?

The bottom line is, Schaub's the best thing this team could've asked for besides the obvious Rick Smith and Kubiak & co.

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Well, there was a reference to (and appearance by) the Fresno Mafia earlier in the thread, so I thought the Virginia Mafia should be heard from, too.

Matt clearly needs to improve ball security. However, the best way to ensure you don't fumble it is to not try to throw the ball in traffic (his lost fumbles against Atlanta and Miami were because of this). If he would prematurely tuck the ball away and run, he probably would not fumble as much. But then, if he did that, he'd be a few steps away from being David Carr, and who wants that?

Right now, Matt is moving the offense despite the fact that he has only the slightest semblance of a running game, a bunch of signed-off-the-street WRs, and a questionable OL (certainly not the horrid bunch that Carr made them appear to be, but our OL ain't exactly the '72 Dolphins). Frankly, I wish Kubiak would rely on Schaub more in the red zone, his overthrow to Walter on the ill-fated second possession aside.

As for the initial thrust of the topic (Schaub and Rosenfels), I can't imagine anyone reading too much into a backup's late TD drive after the game was far out of reach. Yes, I'm an unabashed Schaub-homer, but when I see Sage play, I understand why he is the backup. His footwork in the pocket is downright strange--the guy looks like he's on rollerskates--but he does overcome it. I'm certainly glad we have him, but I can see why a good-mechanics guy like Kubiak would not be comfortable with Rosenfels as a starter.
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While Schaub may not have the strongest arm around it is strong enough to get the ball downfield for big plays.

In the first 6 games of this year, we've had more long pass plays than in the last couple of years of the strong armed Mr Carr.
The only problem is that all of those long pass plays have been severely underthrown with the exception of that 40 yard pass yesterday.
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It's crazy isn't it?

Schaub is:

-8th in completion %
-4th in yardage behind Brady, Favre and Romo
-T6th in yds/play
-8th in yds/game
-9th in passer rating

The only thing statwise that is bad is his number of TDs. How much of that is his fault?

The bottom line is, Schaub's the best thing this team could've asked for besides the obvious Rick Smith and Kubiak & co.

Good post, had no idea.
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How the hell can somebody say it was a bad performance by Schaub? Sure, it wasn't the best, but dang. Freaking amazing!
lots of people don't pay attention and take the easy path of blame. I used to be amazed at people making bizarre out to lunch statements too...but it's just so common....I'm jaded now.
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I'm a Rosenfels supporter from last year and would have rather seen the Texans give it a go with Rosenfels then trade for Schaub. I just don't like giving up draft picks and the 2 second round picks have hurt and will hurt us next year.

Having said that, Schaub has done everything right and has been a good addition to our team. Schaub is a leader and damn good QB. The only fault I can see is that he under throws some of his long ball and that isn't a reason to bench him.

We couldn't run on the Jags yesterday and they knew it too, so the DL pinned its ears back and went full bore after Schaub. Every DLman has to make a read on weather the play is a run or a pass. Its a decision that comes naturally and most DLmen don't even realize they are making the decision most of the time. But, that read/decision creates a nanosecond of hesitation that allows the OLman to have an advantage. If the DLman doesn't have to make that decision, it has a dramatic effect in the trench warfare.
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Why the hell did this make it past the initial post? Good grief.
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How the hell can somebody say it was a bad performance by Schaub? Sure, it wasn't the best, but dang. Freaking amazing!
It was an off-day. He looked worse than he did in the other games. He's underthrowing receivers. Picks are picks. It wasn't his best. Take whatever you want. I'm not comparing him to past quarterbacks; I'm judging him on the season. He looked much better in the first few games than he did in Jacksonville. But my point was that it was the fault of his o-line. If the o-line stepped up their play, he'd have had a much better day.

The Texans need a LT and a C in a bad way. Have needed them for a long time, and not just swing players either.

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You know, early on (I think it was the opening drive, might have been the second one) when Schaub was rolling to his right and I thought he was going to go out of bounds he totally amazed me when he hit Walter for the first down. I remember sitting back and just smiling after that play. We didn't get a lot of that kind of effort to make a play or ability to keep the eyes focused downfield from 2002 to 2006. That was a pleasure to see.

I just keep thinking about the current circumstances (backup center, backup left tackle, no running game to speak of) and thinking that this is only his 6th start for us. We got beat, it happens. We're still going to be seeing amazing things from Matt Schaub.
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You know, early on (I think it was the opening drive, might have been the second one) when Schaub was rolling to his right and I thought he was going to go out of bounds he totally amazed me when he hit Walter for the first down. I remember sitting back and just smiling after that play. We didn't get a lot of that kind of effort to make a play or ability to keep the eyes focused downfield from 2002 to 2006. That was a pleasure to see.

I just keep thinking about the current circumstances (backup center, backup left tackle, no running game to speak of) and thinking that this is only his 6th start for us. We got beat, it happens. We're still going to be seeing amazing things from Matt Schaub.
That was a very bad-ass play, by any quarterback standards.
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You know, early on (I think it was the opening drive, might have been the second one) when Schaub was rolling to his right and I thought he was going to go out of bounds he totally amazed me when he hit Walter for the first down. I remember sitting back and just smiling after that play. We didn't get a lot of that kind of effort to make a play or ability to keep the eyes focused downfield from 2002 to 2006. That was a pleasure to see.

I just keep thinking about the current circumstances (backup center, backup left tackle, no running game to speak of) and thinking that this is only his 6th start for us. We got beat, it happens. We're still going to be seeing amazing things from Matt Schaub.
Well said. I liked that play and then maybe the next drive where he stood in the pocket and threw a laser to the middle of the field to Andre, I believe, for 20 yards. He just makes plays that I'm not used to seeing and his head is always downfield.
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It was an off-day. He looked worse than he did in the other games. He's underthrowing receivers. Picks are picks. It wasn't his best. Take whatever you want. I'm not comparing him to past quarterbacks; I'm judging him on the season. He looked much better in the first few games than he did in Jacksonville. But my point was that it was the fault of his o-line. If the o-line stepped up their play, he'd have had a much better day.

The Texans need a LT and a C in a bad way. Have needed them for a long time, and not just swing players either.
I agree. Don't get me wrong. I strongly believe we need some Oline help. I'm just pointing out what Schaub has been able to do with what he's had to work with. He's making plays, not all of them yet, but he's coming along quite nicely IMO.
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You know, early on (I think it was the opening drive, might have been the second one) when Schaub was rolling to his right and I thought he was going to go out of bounds he totally amazed me when he hit Walter for the first down. I remember sitting back and just smiling after that play. We didn't get a lot of that kind of effort to make a play or ability to keep the eyes focused downfield from 2002 to 2006. That was a pleasure to see.

I just keep thinking about the current circumstances (backup center, backup left tackle, no running game to speak of) and thinking that this is only his 6th start for us. We got beat, it happens. We're still going to be seeing amazing things from Matt Schaub.
I think that alot of people are forgetting just how little game time Schuab has under his belt. For all intents and purposes he's a rookie, well maybe a rookie who has sat a year, but still in terms of full speed NFL games he's a rook. And yet he does not act, nor play, like a rookie at times.

it's been a rather fun watching him develop and trying to figure out just how much better he might get.
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