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Old 10-11-2007   #121
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Anybody watch the Pitt/Navy game last night?

I remembered half way through that Charles Spencer played for Pitt so I wanted to watch their OL.

Their LT (Otah) is a senior and seemed to do very well. Of course they were playing Navy so its hard to tell...but the announcers said kiper expects him to be a 1st day pick (3rd rd as of now).

Anybody got more insight on him?

Also as far as OL goes, what are good teams to watch for that would be guys we might pick from to fit our system? USC, Clemson, Pittsburgh, Miami come to mind (Spencer, Winston...)
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Another thing to be concerned about is what will be available in free agency this off season. For 2007, we had about $7million under cap that we did not spend as I understand. Smith has done wonders again buying players on the cheap. For 2008, I see no RBs that are clear "Hey, look at me!" type players. One or two "avg to good" free safeties and no LT. Why not go with a great offer to Samuel and lock up a need player. As for as Bennett, time will tell, but we are talking about what we see on team as for today. It is possible that Dayne will explode and be an 800 yds rusher and Green goes for 1200. We just don't know that today.
What about Michael Turner?
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don't get too wrapped up into offensive lineman you'll only get dissapointed like I did last year

but yeah Otah does remind me of Charles, does'nt have the hand punch but similar massive frame & good footwrok for his size. also Mike McGlynn (RT) is a really interesting prospect because he has the ability to play all line positions. I'm wondering if they (Texans) could take a player like him (4th-5th rd.) & develop him into a NFL Center, his pass blocking is excellent, consistant & intense.

the other thing you hit upon are the schools that constantly produce lineman who compete & do exceptionally well in the NFL. I would take it one step father and say just look @ the coaching. Coaches rarely get their proper due with a few exceptions. Head coach Dave Wannstedt has NFL head coaching experience & Paul Dunn (who worked with Pitts) is the offensive line coach.
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You guys can have Samuel...I'm hoping the Raiders don't resign Namdi Asmuagh(sp). Good cover corner who can tackle and has really come into his own quietly in Oakland. I think he's more physical then Asante andi prefer that in a corner. I also have my reservations about what happens to guys when they leave N.E. i just don't see them perform nearly as well outside of Billichek's staff and guys playing for the big contract make me nervous as well for the next season.

As for 1st rounder at this point I'm very much in agreement with your assesment pete. There is going to be a lot of first round grade LB's, especially if Lauranitis comes out, floating around. If a guy like Dan Conor falls us middle of first round it wouldn't suprise me at all for us to snag him up.

OL... honestly I think a lot of that might be up in the air far as what happens in the offseason. there should bea few HC spots open up and my money is on Coughlin leaving NYC, Gruden is on the hotseat, Del Rio could be too, Norv was a mistake in the first place and should be fired, and Crennels possibly. Sherman might be up for one of those jobs and if he goes i fully expect the OC position has been groomed for lil Shanahan. If that happens I well expect us to use later draft round picks again. If Sherman stays...we might go LT first round if a guy falls that we like.

As for RB the guy in the first round that I really want is Slaton. Perfect fit for what we're trying to do here. Cut and Run guy. Runs draw plays well, screens well, and has speed that kills. I like Dantrell Savage out of OSU late rounder and anyone else here think Mike Hart isn't a 1st rounder? AS for Turner...from what I've seen he does impress in limited touches.

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What about Michael Turner?
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He will be almost 27 when the 2008 regular season begins and will then have four NFL seasons behind him as a RB. In five games his rushing avg is 7.4 but in 27 rushes he has 201 yds. Maybe he could carry the load for us, but nothing to base it on. He would be a reach because he will want a big contract in FA.

Here is the thing, someone will offer San Diego a trade and I think the team takes it. So do you want to give up a 4th on a maybe starter? I don't think I do for this player.
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What I'm saying is at linbacker there will be a heck of a lot of them with first round grades floating around. And ditto for OLT IF two or three of the top teired Juniors come out. I do not think with all due respect to YTF, that's true to the DBs in general. I think it's a down class. They may take a DB....from what I'm reading and watching so far there isn't a dimes bit of difference from someone from pick fifteen to pick sixty-four. If they traded back they could get the same prospect at DB in the second as the could in the first. The difference would be negligable.

As far as DE is concerned, if he's an elite guy who can get after the passer why not ? The only thing I can see is they seem prety happy this season with their platoon. We're fixin to see a couple of them the next few weeks that's for sure. I wanted one of the Columbus boys for a while now. The kid in Buffalo turned into a prety good DE.

What I know for a fact is simply this....we send six no one gets there. And that little thing has been going on for two and half seasons now. And one thing Denver's defense always featured over the recent years.....was very big safty's and athletic, read the cream in the league, linebackers.

The only way I can see them taking a WR is if someone they graded out very high tumbles off the top of the boards and falls to them on day two. Couple of those guys just went IR this week. Now whether they tumble or not ? I wouldn't Pay a one for Sweed or the kid for Oregon, but a three might be more than Kubaick can stand.
Great post. I didn't know that about Denver's defense. Linebacker then sounds like a good pick. With one clearly dominant linebacker, for the Texans to add a first-rounder would definitely solidiy the linebacking corps.

For me, a 1st-rd linebacker definitely fits into how I think the Texans are developing the team. (Immediate needs met in free agency; then taking the best defensive player in the draft at their position.)

I agree on the WR, only I take it a step further. With AJ, Davis, Walter, and Jacoby, I think the Texans are set in their wide receivers. I would think this is currently at the bottom of their needs and would be surprised if they drafted one next year in any round.
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don't get too wrapped up into offensive lineman you'll only get dissapointed like I did last year

but yeah Otah does remind me of Charles, does'nt have the hand punch but similar massive frame & good footwrok for his size. also Mike McGlynn (RT) is a really interesting prospect because he has the ability to play all line positions. I'm wondering if they (Texans) could take a player like him (4th-5th rd.) & develop him into a NFL Center, his pass blocking is excellent, consistant & intense.

the other thing you hit upon are the schools that constantly produce lineman who compete & do exceptionally well in the NFL. I would take it one step father and say just look @ the coaching. Coaches rarely get their proper due with a few exceptions. Head coach Dave Wannstedt has NFL head coaching experience & Paul Dunn (who worked with Pitts) is the offensive line coach.
At 6'6" 340 lbs he is a little big for center imo. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...php?pyid=66893
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He will be almost 27 when the 2008 regular season begins and will then have four NFL seasons behind him as a RB. In five games his rushing avg is 7.4 but in 27 rushes he has 201 yds. Maybe he could carry the load for us, but nothing to base it on. He would be a reach because he will want a big contract in FA.
Yeah, it is funny how signing a 30 year old to a 4 year deal is regarded as silly but signing a 27 year old to a 6-7 year deal is the only smart choice.

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Here is the thing, someone will offer San Diego a trade and I think the team takes it. So do you want to give up a 4th on a maybe starter? I don't think I do for this player.
If there is going to be a trade, it will happen within less than a week. The deadline is the 17th. Once that passes, he plays out the season and will be a FA who can sign with anyone. There were reports they were offered a 1st before the season. Would be the height of mismanagement if so and they now accepted a 4th.
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You guys can have Samuel...I'm hoping the Raiders don't resign Namdi Asmuagh(sp). Good cover corner who can tackle and has really come into his own quietly in Oakland. I think he's more physical then Asante andi prefer that in a corner. I also have my reservations about what happens to guys when they leave N.E. i just don't see them perform nearly as well outside of Billichek's staff and guys playing for the big contract make me nervous as well for the next season.

As for 1st rounder at this point I'm very much in agreement with your assesment pete. There is going to be a lot of first round grade LB's, especially if Lauranitis comes out, floating around. If a guy like Dan Conor falls us middle of first round it wouldn't suprise me at all for us to snag him up.

OL... honestly I think a lot of that might be up in the air far as what happens in the offseason. there should bea few HC spots open up and my money is on Coughlin leaving NYC, Gruden is on the hotseat, Del Rio could be too, Norv was a mistake in the first place and should be fired, and Crennels possibly. Sherman might be up for one of those jobs and if he goes i fully expect the OC position has been groomed for lil Shanahan. If that happens I well expect us to use later draft round picks again. If Sherman stays...we might go LT first round if a guy falls that we like.

As for RB the guy in the first round that I really want is Slaton. Perfect fit for what we're trying to do here. Cut and Run guy. Runs draw plays well, screens well, and has speed that kills. I like Dantrell Savage out of OSU late rounder and anyone else here think Mike Hart isn't a 1st rounder? AS for Turner...from what I've seen he does impress in limited touches.

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Your CB had a good 2006 thereby voiding contract and allowing him to opt for FA. 14 tackles but no INTs this year. Depends on how he does the remainder, he could be some one to spend millions on. Notice he has big year then zero INTs the next. No big deal unless you think it is a pattern. http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/...ort=Nfl&id=779
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Anybody watch the Pitt/Navy game last night?

I remembered half way through that Charles Spencer played for Pitt so I wanted to watch their OL.

Their LT (Otah) is a senior and seemed to do very well. Of course they were playing Navy so its hard to tell...but the announcers said kiper expects him to be a 1st day pick (3rd rd as of now).

Anybody got more insight on him?

Also as far as OL goes, what are good teams to watch for that would be guys we might pick from to fit our system? USC, Clemson, Pittsburgh, Miami come to mind (Spencer, Winston...)



SSsssssh. I think he is starkly simular to Spencer. There is also a gaurd, from a small school, (Newberry ) who looks to have all the numbers. Doesn't mean he is quick. Doesn't mean he can play. Means he is, if the 4.99 number is true, a unique athlete. I mean at 326 with a 4.99 forty, I would hope we spend the cash to let the scouts get a sniff at the guy with live bullets flying. I mean that is LB/DE speed . Doens't mean he can block in space. Doen't mean he can block anyone. Just means he is a very unique human being.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...php?pyid=67382

Last time we all said there was no way they'd take a gaurd to play OLT they took Spencer. So the cupboard out of the first round isn't completly bare. However I'm hoping still Micheal Ohr decides to come out. I look at the the forty speed first that is the only barameter we have except game action that we have. A 5.4 forty guy is going to have a prety tough time blocking speed guys on the edge. A guy fast enough, doesn't mean he is neceissaryly quick enough, but fast enough has a shot out there. I mean evryone seems to be raving about the Kid from Wake Forest being a stud at center. However at 282, you got to wonder how his frame will hold up. And at that weight he better be a heck of a tactician. I saw the marshal center the other night. He's a bit ploddy but he can root out the point of attack. Looks to be a very strong guy with some quicks. I think the two centers from the past draft we saw have done prety well so far. Panthers Had Kalil out of position at RT gaurd. And Samson Satele (2 # 60) did a prety fair job on our DTs. He was a beast out in space with Ronnie Brown.


Tony Hills at Texas doesn't exactly thrill me. I See Salaam who needs some work.

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Tony Hills at Texas doesn't exactly thrill me.
My highschool coach told Tony that he was the worst blocker on the team (though I think he was overexagerating)...

At the time he was playing TE, but still....

I think he has gotten much better though since he's been at UT...He's a good athlete, and he's agressive and he's got good size....

I look for somebody to pick my boy up come draft day...
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But honestly, I don't think we pick up any tackles next year....
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Yeah, it is funny how signing a 30 year old to a 4 year deal is regarded as silly but signing a 27 year old to a 6-7 year deal is the only smart choice.



If there is going to be a trade, it will happen within less than a week. The deadline is the 17th. Once that passes, he plays out the season and will be a FA who can sign with anyone. There were reports they were offered a 1st before the season. Would be the height of mismanagement if so and they now accepted a 4th.
I agree and fans are restless now. However, do you take a 4th over losing him to FA?
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At 6'6" 340 lbs he is a little big for center imo. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...php?pyid=66893
no no no not him I meant his teammate Mike McGlynn 6045 315 (irish make for good linemen) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings....php?pyid=9328
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You guys can have Samuel...I'm hoping the Raiders don't resign Namdi Asmuagh(sp). Good cover corner who can tackle and has really come into his own quietly in Oakland. I think he's more physical then Asante andi prefer that in a corner. I also have my reservations about what happens to guys when they leave N.E. i just don't see them perform nearly as well outside of Billichek's staff and guys playing for the big contract make me nervous as well for the next season.

As for 1st rounder at this point I'm very much in agreement with your assesment pete. There is going to be a lot of first round grade LB's, especially if Lauranitis comes out, floating around. If a guy like Dan Conor falls us middle of first round it wouldn't suprise me at all for us to snag him up.

OL... honestly I think a lot of that might be up in the air far as what happens in the offseason. there should bea few HC spots open up and my money is on Coughlin leaving NYC, Gruden is on the hotseat, Del Rio could be too, Norv was a mistake in the first place and should be fired, and Crennels possibly. Sherman might be up for one of those jobs and if he goes i fully expect the OC position has been groomed for lil Shanahan. If that happens I well expect us to use later draft round picks again. If Sherman stays...we might go LT first round if a guy falls that we like.

As for RB the guy in the first round that I really want is Slaton. Perfect fit for what we're trying to do here. Cut and Run guy. Runs draw plays well, screens well, and has speed that kills. I like Dantrell Savage out of OSU late rounder and anyone else here think Mike Hart isn't a 1st rounder? AS for Turner...from what I've seen he does impress in limited touches.

Just my .02 cents anyway.
Hey that would work for me. We don't need a true #1 just someone to put Petey back at nickle. I'd just as soon see Danta get his money other than someone we don't know. Kinda peeved at Robinson right now, but he's had a very good season thus far. He gives the #1's fits that's for sure. Bennit might be that guy. But if we go through in the future at CB what we're going through with WR and RB this season, I can see having three guys not being too crazy. I mean if the kid from Oklahoma ( Smith) falls, he's big enough to play safty and he's a prety fair college CB right now. Now I wouldn't give a middle one for the guy....but they do some sort of a move down deal a guy like that might be on the board at the end of day one. William Gay will be a franchise guy...if it's going to cost us a day two pick...do the deal.

Micheal Hart ? I think there are a heck of a lot of small running backs on the board. Ray Rice, Ian Johnson...the kid at LSU is a junior isn't he. I mean that guy isn't that fast, strong or quick, all he does is make plays. Charles spit the bit against Oklahoma, but I've always wanted a change of pace guy to back up the one. Even when we had Dominic Williams/Davis, I wanted the # two or three to have some jets. Untill someone tells me differently, I think Criss Taylor is that guy.

So Keith, the kid that's toting the water for the colts right now...remind me again who's cousin he is and where he came from ? Strange they can pick up a second teired tallent and make him look like an all pro. Well maybe not so strange. Dungy hit ugoh and the back up kid. Amazing. Guess he wasn't so crazy after all Taking Anthony Gonzales with the first pick.
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no no no not him I meant his teammate Mike McGlynn 6045 315 (irish make for good linemen) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings....php?pyid=9328
Yep he is on a lot of boards also. Over under ? I don't think a center goes in the first this draft.

SS I thought you were talking about the Irish center.

So beerlover do you know why Will Arnold has fallen so far in their eyes. That is quite a tumble ?
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no faith in Chris White?
I think Chris White is really good, but I think we need another center anyways, because Flannigan and McKinney are not getting any younger...or better....
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But honestly, I don't think we pick up any tackles next year....
I think your opinion will change radically befor thanksgiving.
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