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Old 09-25-2007   #41
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My thinking is that the one was too critical and the other was too positive but I'm sure that's all for effect.

My thoughts are these: Gary Kubiak called an okay game but:
1) challenging that interception was moronic. What team that's behind doesn't need its timeouts?
2) how do you go for the gutless wimp approach and run the clock out WHEN YOU START ON YOUR OWN 40?
3) what in the world was with the lackadaisical sauntering 7+ minute drive? I mean, take what the defense gives you but HURRY UP about it.

Kubiak was right to take some of the blame but it didn't seem that he was addressing the things I think he's really responsible for. Which either means that he's evading his true responsibility or I have no idea what I'm talking about. You be the judge.
1. Challenging the interception wasn't moronic. It was close and it was a huge play. The replay system is moronic!

2. If you listen to Kubiak's explanation then you would understand why they approached that 3rd down like they did. If they were successful on 2nd down, he would've been agressive. And, if they'd converted on 3rd down they would get agressive again. He didn't want to leave time for another Peyton led drive before halftime.

3. The only problem with the last drive was the timeout taken on 1st and goal... I'm not sure why that was done but it was a mistake.
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Old 09-25-2007   #42
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One in the third. The one where JJ was injured on the PR.



http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playby...2007&week=REG3
Right. The Colts had 9 possessions up to that point, and in one of those 9 instances, they held them to a 3 and out. That is a success rate of roughly 12%. So, you all think there is a less than 12% chance of recovering an onside kick? Think again -

Did you know that nearly 23 percent of all onside kicks in 2004 were successful? It's true -- 12 of the 52 attempts worked! (source)

I can try to find other years as well. Overall, it's somewhere between 20-25%over the long haul.
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Right. The Colts had 9 possessions up to that point, and in one of those 9 instances, they held them to a 3 and out. That is a success rate of roughly 12%. So, you all think there is a less than 12% chance of recovering an onside kick? Think again -

Did you know that nearly 23 percent of all onside kicks in 2004 were successful? It's true -- 12 of the 52 attempts worked! (source)

I can try to find other years as well. Overall, it's somewhere between 20-25%over the long haul.
I understand your point and I'm not arguing that point. I agree with what Kubiak did. I wouldn't have been bent out of shape if he'd decided to do an onsides kick either.

I guess my whole point is it wouldn't have been a bad call either way he decided to go.
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Old 09-25-2007   #44
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This is football.

A head coach is not going through percentages in his head when he's standing on the sideline coaching a game.


But this hindsight game is fun.
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Old 09-25-2007   #45
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This is football.

A head coach is not going through percentages in his head when he's standing on the sideline coaching a game.


But this hindsight game is fun.
Percentages literally--probably not. But every head coach in the league knows on sides kicks are a very low percentage shot.
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Percentages literally--probably not. But every head coach in the league knows on sides kicks are a very low percentage shot.
That is true, but I don't think it's about what has or hasn't been successful.

I think when your are in the moment it's more about what gives me the best chance to win this game right now; not, this hasn't been that successful for other teams so I won't try it.

In that moment, Kubiak probably felt he had a better chance to win by putting his defense out there than he did about trying to onside kick it.

Had our defense been playing terrible the last few series, he probably would have gone for the onside kick. It would be totally illogical to ask a defense, who you have no faith in, to stop a Peyton Manning led offense.

It's easy to second guess decisions because if it doesn't work out, there will always be someone saying it was a bad choice. Had he kicked the onside, we don't recover and the Colts get a field goal to ice the game--there would have been people coming out saying he should have had more faith in the defense.

I personally liked how Kubiak called the game, but I just think that he didnt have enough horses to get the cart up the hill.
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Percentages literally--probably not. But every head coach in the league knows on sides kicks are a very low percentage shot.
So, an onsides kicks that has at least a 1 in 5 shot of working is very low percentage, but stopping the best offense in the league on 3 downs when you had a 1 for 9 day in that catagory is not?
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I'm going to be polite for a change, and just say that I find the overall tone of this thread to be a little bit unreasonable.

It's one thing to second guess a coach's playcalling, given the environment where you're playing without most of your key players, and you still hold the Colts to less than a touchdown.

But to call him a wimp, or compare him to Capers is downright classless, not to mention clueless.

Sadly, I've come to expect that this type of BS will continue whenever they lose.
Ouch...

We're 2-1, folks. Capers never won the first two games of the season.

We lost to the Colts. No excuses, but they tend to make most teams look bad. Capers never beat the Colts as Texans HC. Kubiak accomplished that in his first season.

What I take from this game is that our head coach - yes, Kubiak - has this team fighting and clawing until the clock reaches 0:00. We never, ever had that attitude in four seasons of Capers. Matter-of-fact, the team would quit most games like this one (and Carolina, for that matter).

Do I agree with every call? Heck no. I thought Kubiak's lack of confidence in the two minute warning at the end of the first half was disheartening. He had his reasons, though, and it was not about 'keeping it close' or any other Capersism.

I know there is a lot of emotional baggage in posts the day after a loss, especially when Texans fans are drinking battle red koolaide by the gallon. But there is no need to whip out the pink soap. Everything is going to be alright, and Kubiak is learning from games like this one.
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This is football.

A head coach is not going through percentages in his head when he's standing on the sideline coaching a game.


But this hindsight game is fun.
Right, none of them do; but, they should.

Frankly, a calculator for a few simple division problems would be a good idea--like 1 divided by 9, which is actually closer to 11% than 12.
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