Interesting SI Article on VY - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

**Hookem Horns** · 08-18-2007

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...nts/index.html

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He completed only 51.5 percent as a rookie, and a source within the league told me recently that one reason the Titans don't really need great receivers on their roster is because Young can't be counted on to put the ball in their hands anyway.

BattleRedToro · 08-18-2007

I think this season is going to be a rude awakening for the Golden Boy. Opposing Defensive Coordinators now know what to expect from him and will have better plans to expose his an his team's weaknesses.

**Hookem Horns** · 08-18-2007

As much as I loved this guy at UT, I would be lying if I denied that I was rooting for him to fail. Besides playing for the team I hate the most, I am sick and tired of all the VY Titan hype here in Austin. Friends of mine who were rooting for the Texans before now hate the Texans and are now rooting for the Titans. One of them just bought NFL Sunday Ticket just to see them every week. However that may not be necessary since CBS affiliate here started showing the Titans in lieu of the Texans last season. I also noticed our local Wal Mart is carrying Titans crap and they have NEVER carried Texans merchandise. VY stinking it up would put an end to most of this.

**Vinny** · 08-18-2007

well, he had better stats than John Elway in his rookie year (47.5% completions 7TD's and 14 INT's)....so I don't think that Elway had such a bad career. People make way too much out of stat lines (especially rookie QB stat lines), and don't watch enough real football for their opinions.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/ElwaJo00.htm

BattleRedToro · 08-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Vinny

well, he had better stats than John Elway in his rookie year (47.5% completions 7TD's and 14 INT's)....so I don't think that Elway had such a bad career. People make way too much out of stat lines (especially rookie QB stat lines), and don't watch enough real football for their opinions.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/ElwaJo00.htm

Oh, I watched some of his games and I was unimpressed.

**Vinny** · 08-18-2007

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Originally Posted by BattleRedToro

Oh, I watched some of his games and I was unimpressed.

yeah...but all of us know you only do biased homer takes.

**infantrycak** · 08-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Vinny

People make way too much out of stat lines (especially rookie QB stat lines), and don't watch enough real football for their opinions.

Maybe so, but he had a rough outing against NE. He wouldn't have had a stat line but for Scaife going on an 80 yd scamper after a 3 yd pass.

**Vinny** · 08-18-2007

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Originally Posted by infantrycak

Maybe so, but he had a rough outing against NE. He wouldn't have had a stat line but for Scaife going on an 80 yd scamper after a 3 yd pass.

yeah but constantly going on and on about rookie stats that were better than John Elways stats gets old to those of us who follow football closely and historically.

TexansLucky13 · 08-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Vinny

yeah but constantly going on and on about rookie stats that were better than John Elways stats gets old to those of us who follow football closely and historically.

Here's an observation that requires no stats whatsoever. Once VY loses his speed, he will be at best a second rate QB in this league.

If he wants to be a career QB, he needs to work on his throwing. I doubt even you can argue with that.

CloakNNNdagger · 08-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Vinny

well, he had better stats than John Elway in his rookie year (47.5% completions 7TD's and 14 INT's)....so I don't think that Elway had such a bad career. People make way too much out of stat lines (especially rookie QB stat lines), and don't watch enough real football for their opinions.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/ElwaJo00.htm

Vinny, the difference is that Elway was an accomplished passer in college who didn't really show the stuff he already had in the NFL until later.

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In his four seasons (1979–1982) at Stanford, he completed 774 passes for 9,349 yards and 77 touchdowns. Stanford had a 20-23 record during his tenure. His 24 touchdown passes in 1982 led the nation, and he graduated with nearly every Stanford and Pacific-10 career record for passing and total offense.

Elway

**infantrycak** · 08-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Vinny

yeah but constantly going on and on about rookie stats that were better than John Elways stats gets old to those of us who follow football closely and historically.

All I was trying to say was he didn't look very good yesterday.

Yes off the wall comparisons can get off the wall. There is too much history in the NFL--you can always find some goofy comparison.

Oh and I don't think VY has earned the right to have his name in the same sentence as Elway's yet.

**Vinny** · 08-18-2007

eh...cloak, VY had some pretty impressive stats his last year at UT....you may want to look them up. anyway...I need to go make some tea or something.

BattleRedToro · 08-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Vinny

yeah...but all of us know you only do biased homer takes.

I am not a

. I just don't think Vince Young is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I guess in your book that makes me a

.

**Vinny** · 08-19-2007

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Originally Posted by BattleRedToro

I am not a

. I just don't think Vince Young is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but I guess in your book that makes me a

.

my perception of you probably rests more in the several years of you trying to tell us David Carr was a stud despite all the evidence to the contrary.

there are worse things than being a homer...so don't take it so hard.

**Grams** · 08-19-2007

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Originally Posted by infantrycak

Maybe so, but he had a rough outing against NE. He wouldn't have had a stat line but for Scaife going on an 80 yd scamper after a 3 yd pass.

But according to his coach it was the field that was wet, the weather, people in his face.

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/stor...o&confirm=true

CloakNNNdagger · 08-19-2007

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Originally Posted by Grams

But according to his coach it was the field that was wet, the weather, people in his face.

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/stor...o&confirm=true

.............and he had a wet diaper.

Silver Oak · 08-19-2007

Whatever the Pats have done to vince in their last two games, you bet will be studied by other teams around the league. They pretty much shut him down as far as being a running threat and forced him to throw.

The titan fans who do watch every game of his are pretty unanimous that he needs to work on his passing accuracy. Is that just a rookie thing or is it more of an arm mechanics/delivery problem? Only time will tell.

BattleRedToro · 08-19-2007

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Originally Posted by Vinny

my perception of you probably rests more in the several years of you trying to tell us David Carr was a stud despite all the evidence to the contrary.

there are worse things than being a homer...so don't take it so hard.

I never used the word stud to describe David Carr, but I admittedly was slow to criticize him and attributed more of the offense's trouble to the O-Line then you did.

**Runner** · 08-19-2007

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Originally Posted by infantrycak

Maybe so, but he had a rough outing against NE. He wouldn't have had a stat line but for Scaife going on an 80 yd scamper after a 3 yd pass.

Brady didn't look to good either. Maybe he's on the downside of his career too.

Koolaid Time · 08-19-2007

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Originally Posted by TexansLucky13

Here's an observation that requires no stats whatsoever. Once VY loses his speed, he will be at best a second rate QB in this league.

Vince better get his slide move down... Someone will nail him HARD this season.

You are right, you take out his wheels and Vince is a journeyman QB

08-18-2007	#2
BattleRedToro Thread Killer Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 40 Posts: 2,432 Rep Power: 3988	Re: Interesting SI Article on VY I think this season is going to be a rude awakening for the Golden Boy. Opposing Defensive Coordinators now know what to expect from him and will have better plans to expose his an his team's weaknesses. __________________ "Hey fool, this ain't no football game!" - Mr. T

08-18-2007	#3
Hookem Horns Lets Go Rangers Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,818 Rep Power: 31176	Re: Interesting SI Article on VY As much as I loved this guy at UT, I would be lying if I denied that I was rooting for him to fail. Besides playing for the team I hate the most, I am sick and tired of all the VY Titan hype here in Austin. Friends of mine who were rooting for the Texans before now hate the Texans and are now rooting for the Titans. One of them just bought NFL Sunday Ticket just to see them every week. However that may not be necessary since CBS affiliate here started showing the Titans in lieu of the Texans last season. I also noticed our local Wal Mart is carrying Titans crap and they have NEVER carried Texans merchandise. VY stinking it up would put an end to most of this.

08-18-2007	#4
Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	Re: Interesting SI Article on VY well, he had better stats than John Elway in his rookie year (47.5% completions 7TD's and 14 INT's)....so I don't think that Elway had such a bad career. People make way too much out of stat lines (especially rookie QB stat lines), and don't watch enough real football for their opinions. http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/ElwaJo00.htm __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

08-18-2007	#12
Vinny shiny happy fan Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 49 Posts: 20,714 Rep Power: 55750	Re: Interesting SI Article on VY eh...cloak, VY had some pretty impressive stats his last year at UT....you may want to look them up. anyway...I need to go make some tea or something. __________________ http://twitter.com/#!/TexansTalk "A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow

08-19-2007	#17
Silver Oak Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The Woodlands Section: way up the ramp Age: 50 Posts: 3,620 Rep Power: 559	Re: Interesting SI Article on VY Whatever the Pats have done to vince in their last two games, you bet will be studied by other teams around the league. They pretty much shut him down as far as being a running threat and forced him to throw. The titan fans who do watch every game of his are pretty unanimous that he needs to work on his passing accuracy. Is that just a rookie thing or is it more of an arm mechanics/delivery problem? Only time will tell. __________________ An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out? - Rene Descartes

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