Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQDonate Automatic Monthly Contribution Members List Mark Forums Read


Texans Talk Football talk only please. Keep it to the game, the players, the coaches and management.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-23-2004   #41
jags98
Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 197
Rep Power: 0 jags98 is ridin' the pine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Denverbillsfan
I don't like the jags and I hope the texans punch them right in them mouth. They have won some very questionable games especially the first game where he came down out of bounds and was not pushed.
Wah Wah Wah... his right heel touched anyway.
jags98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2004   #42
TexansTrueFan
Hall of Fame
 
TexansTrueFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Huntsville Tx
Age: 30
Posts: 2,600
Rep Power: 13 TexansTrueFan is a team player
Send a message via Yahoo to TexansTrueFan
Default

but i think more than just one heel has to touch !
TexansTrueFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2004   #43
Joe Texan
Inducted 04
 
Joe Texan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Spring
Section: 116 row a seat 20
Age: 51
Posts: 9,787
Rep Power: 4091 Joe Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedJoe Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedJoe Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedJoe Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedJoe Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedJoe Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedJoe Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedJoe Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedJoe Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedJoe Texan is a quality contributor and well respectedJoe Texan is a quality contributor and well respected
Default



I wonder if LA is seeing what I see. I believe they could get a few more people in the stands.

Wahts up Paul you listening
__________________
PRAYERS TO THE FALLEN AT FT. HOOD
Joe Texan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2004   #44
JaxJagFan
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Age: 65
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 0 JaxJagFan is ridin' the pine
Default Attendance

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Texan


I wonder if LA is seeing what I see. I believe they could get a few more people in the stands.

Wahts up Paul you listening
Average attendance this year @ Houston.......70,638
Average attendance this year @ Jax..............69,891
Difference.......................747

Jags are staying in J-ville. We won't repeat Houston's mistake with the Oilers.
JaxJagFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2004   #45
TEXANS84
Moderator
 
TEXANS84's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The Woodlands, TX
Age: 37
Posts: 7,479
Rep Power: 3262 TEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respectedTEXANS84 is a quality contributor and well respected
Send a message via AIM to TEXANS84 Send a message via Yahoo to TEXANS84
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JaxJagFan
Average attendance this year @ Jax..............69,891
Not counting all the Pittsburg Steeler fans.......51,243
TEXANS84 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2004   #46
JaxJagFan
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Age: 65
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 0 JaxJagFan is ridin' the pine
Default Texans have Only Beaten One Team With Winning Record This Year

Quote:
Originally Posted by TEXANS84
Not counting all the Pittsburg Steeler fans.......51,243
And that's us......we placed only one player in the pro-bowl.....the players are really pissed.......sad to be the Texans this week!
JaxJagFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2004   #47
the wonger need food
Hall of Fame
 
the wonger need food's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Houston
Age: 45
Posts: 2,562
Rep Power: 1341 the wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respectedthe wonger need food is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Jags are staying in J-ville. We won't repeat Houston's mistake with the Oilers.
You should do your research before posting ignorant statements. The people of Houston ran Bud Adams and his organization out of town. There was no mistake about it.
the wonger need food is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2004   #48
JaxJagFan
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Age: 65
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 0 JaxJagFan is ridin' the pine
Default That's Not What Bud Adams says

Quote:
Originally Posted by the wonger need food
You should do your research before posting ignorant statements. The people of Houston ran Bud Adams and his organization out of town. There was no mistake about it.
Exactly how did "the people of Houston" accomplish that?
JaxJagFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2004   #49
JaxJagFan
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Age: 65
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 0 JaxJagFan is ridin' the pine
Default Research

Quote:
Originally Posted by JaxJagFan
Exactly how did "the people of Houston" accomplish that?
http://www.allsands.com/sports/history/
The Houston fans supported the Oilers right up to the end (see article). I repeat, how then did the Houston fans run him out of town?
JaxJagFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2004   #50
aj.
Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,769
Rep Power: 658 aj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respectedaj. is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

JaxJag

With all due respect to what you can find on the internet, remember you're talking to a lot of people here who lived it, and it's a very sore subject. The article you cite is paradoxical. There's a lot of things I find wrong with the article but I agree with its bottom line that Houston didn't lose the Oilers because of lack of support. Houston lost the team because of two decades of perceived misdeeds by the owner which in the end (if it would have gotten as far as a public referendum - and all shotty lease agreements notwithstanding), Bud's request for a new stadium would have been beaten to a pulp.

Mayor Lanier knew it would have been career suicide to support Bud's request because Bud lost whatever community, industry, and political support he had here over the years. He fooled us with the feign to Jax in the late 80's and we're still paying for the improvements to a building that is now being left to die. Bud had the public relations skills of a slug. He had no one around him with any marketing skills. He had terrible timing. People never forgave him for firing what was (then) the most loved, most popular and most charismatic coach in the team's history. He was a wealthy oil man who was used to getting his way so when he entered into the exclusive negotiating agreement with Bredesen, the general reaction here (beyond shock and sadness) was "don't let the door hit ya in the *****." For every middle finger he put up in our faces, there were 50,000 more back at him.

There's things in the article that are wrong. Like this one: "the Oilers were coming close to selling out every single game- even when they went 2-14."In the 2-14 season, half their home games were 44,000 or less. They had crowds of 39,000, 31,000, and 31,000 in their last three home games. The Dome capacity then was around 60,000. Since when is 16,000 -29,000 unsold tickets "close to a sell out?" That was before any of the relocation talk started. Bud dismantled the team after the '93 season - the rise of free agency as we know it. The lack of support that year was due to two straight choke jobs in the playoffs and the fact that the team had released a number of star players. Pardee was fired around Thanksgiving and Mullet Boy (as you call him) got his opportunity to coach his first game on MNF against the Giants.

Then there's this: The NFL football ratings in Houston stayed about even the last year they were in town, dropping slightly. If the interest had really left the fans, the Nielson ratings would have plummeted as people would have watched something else or done other activities on a Sunday afternoon. Most if not all of the Oilers home games were blacked out that year so people weren't watching the Oilers because they weren't on TV. Sound familiar? So what Nielson ratings is the author talking about? Dallas vs. the Redskins? The Oilers had a "near" sell out (83% capacity) that last year when they played the Steelers because half the stadium was full of Steelers fans. Sound familiar? The other fairly well attended game that season was against the (12-4) 49ers who were only two years removed from being a Super Bowl champion. I guess there was a fair crowd for the Miami game that year too. One last chance to see Marino I guess.

End rant - out.
aj. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2004   #51
jags98
Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 197
Rep Power: 0 jags98 is ridin' the pine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexansTrueFan
but i think more than just one heel has to touch !
Both did..... The left one was in for sure and the right heal hit before he got hit outta bounds.
jags98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2004   #52
JaxJagFan
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Age: 65
Posts: 8
Rep Power: 0 JaxJagFan is ridin' the pine
Default I Stand Corrected

Quote:
Originally Posted by aj.
JaxJag

With all due respect to what you can find on the internet, remember you're talking to a lot of people here who lived it, and it's a very sore subject. The article you cite is paradoxical. There's a lot of things I find wrong with the article but I agree with its bottom line that Houston didn't lose the Oilers because of lack of support. Houston lost the team because of two decades of perceived misdeeds by the owner which in the end (if it would have gotten as far as a public referendum - and all shotty lease agreements notwithstanding), Bud's request for a new stadium would have been beaten to a pulp.

Mayor Lanier knew it would have been career suicide to support Bud's request because Bud lost whatever community, industry, and political support he had here over the years. He fooled us with the feign to Jax in the late 80's and we're still paying for the improvements to a building that is now being left to die. Bud had the public relations skills of a slug. He had no one around him with any marketing skills. He had terrible timing. People never forgave him for firing what was (then) the most loved, most popular and most charismatic coach in the team's history. He was a wealthy oil man who was used to getting his way so when he entered into the exclusive negotiating agreement with Bredesen, the general reaction here (beyond shock and sadness) was "don't let the door hit ya in the *****." For every middle finger he put up in our faces, there were 50,000 more back at him.

There's things in the article that are wrong. Like this one: "the Oilers were coming close to selling out every single game- even when they went 2-14."In the 2-14 season, half their home games were 44,000 or less. They had crowds of 39,000, 31,000, and 31,000 in their last three home games. The Dome capacity then was around 60,000. Since when is 16,000 -29,000 unsold tickets "close to a sell out?" That was before any of the relocation talk started. Bud dismantled the team after the '93 season - the rise of free agency as we know it. The lack of support that year was due to two straight choke jobs in the playoffs and the fact that the team had released a number of star players. Pardee was fired around Thanksgiving and Mullet Boy (as you call him) got his opportunity to coach his first game on MNF against the Giants.

Then there's this: The NFL football ratings in Houston stayed about even the last year they were in town, dropping slightly. If the interest had really left the fans, the Nielson ratings would have plummeted as people would have watched something else or done other activities on a Sunday afternoon. Most if not all of the Oilers home games were blacked out that year so people weren't watching the Oilers because they weren't on TV. Sound familiar? So what Nielson ratings is the author talking about? Dallas vs. the Redskins? The Oilers had a "near" sell out (83% capacity) that last year when they played the Steelers because half the stadium was full of Steelers fans. Sound familiar? The other fairly well attended game that season was against the (12-4) 49ers who were only two years removed from being a Super Bowl champion. I guess there was a fair crowd for the Miami game that year too. One last chance to see Marino I guess.

End rant - out.
Thanks for that perspective. I guess I get a little defensive when people insinuate that the people of Jax don't support the Jags. There is a core of fans here who are every bit as dedicated as your best fans are. We have the second smallest market and one of the largest stadiums in the NFL....thus we have blackouts. The owner is covering about 10,000 seats next year which will bring our stadium capacity in line with other NFL cities. If that had been done this year every home game would have been a "sellout". Our average attendence at home this year is close to Houston's (747 tickets less). So I guess I get a little hot when fans from other cities, who don't know the facts, start showing their ignorance by predicting that the Jags are moving to L.A., or somewhere else. They're not. The Jags have a very longterm lease that would be ultra-expensive to break. The owner gets along great with the community and the fans love him. We now have a coach that gets his players fired up and ready to play each week. We have 90% of the players in place we need to make it to the Super Bowl. We're $6 million or so UNDER the salary cap (best in the NFL). Season ticket sales are picking up for next year. Everything is pointing toward some very good results near-term. This year was expected to be 8-8 at best, now we have a shot at 10-6. We've beaten Indy, Green Bay and Buffalo on the road.
The point I was trying to make about Bud Adams (and I think the guy is pond scum too) is that he's a businessman, and Nashville offered him a better deal than he was able to get in Houston, so he left. The demand curve for an NFL team is such that fans will put up with a lot of abuse from an owner before they'll abandon their team and risk losing it.
JaxJagFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2004   #53
jagualex
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Age: 31
Posts: 44
Rep Power: 0 jagualex is ridin' the pine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HardCoreTxn
Texans Defense owns Limpin Lefty and Fred, maybe Taylor will make it to 4 carries this game before he's knocked on his **** and out of the game....again...
FEAR THE DROB!! eek: eek: eek:

The Jags will be hunting the liter box

Ha, well thats amusing..... maybe your running back (i dont even remember his name) will get better in time... or not. But lets just see what he has done compared to as you tin horns call him fragile freddy.

YDS ATT AVG
fred 1224 260 4.7
DD 927 254 3.6

and as u said it he only got about 3 carries in the last meetin. But not because your defense is physical becasue the thought of that is really funny. its because of a lingering injury that is now gone. and he will now show the soft tinhorns what they missed in the last meeting. the texans wish that they could have a HB thats 20% as good as fred taylor. And "limpwich" over the girly man Carr who has his own hair stylists.. which fits the mentality of your football team........ soft.
jagualex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2004   #54
Texas_Heat
Veteran
 
Texas_Heat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: IN TEXAN HELL
Posts: 377
Rep Power: 0 Texas_Heat is ridin' the pine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jags98
Wah Wah Wah... . :l

That it get your tears out now sunday will bring and end to the Jags playoff hopes.
Texas_Heat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2004   #55
infantrycak
Lead Moderator
 
infantrycak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 47
Posts: 49,217
Rep Power: 413804 infantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respectedinfantrycak is a quality contributor and well respected
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jagualex
Ha, well thats amusing..... maybe your running back (i dont even remember his name) will get better in time... or not. But lets just see what he has done compared to as you tin horns call him fragile freddy.

YDS ATT AVG
fred 1224 260 4.7
DD 927 254 3.6
Funny that you forgot to include this part:

DD 11 rushing TD's, 1 receiving TD=12 TD's
Fred 2 rushing TD's, 1 receiving TD=3 TD's--heck go ahead and throw in the Jones TD's that Fred can't get for himself and you get 5 total TD's.

Just jacking with you--Fred is a great RB.
__________________
The Art of War
infantrycak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2004   #56
jagualex
Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Age: 31
Posts: 44
Rep Power: 0 jagualex is ridin' the pine
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by infantrycak
Funny that you forgot to include this part:

DD 11 rushing TD's, 1 receiving TD=12 TD's
Fred 2 rushing TD's, 1 receiving TD=3 TD's--heck go ahead and throw in the Jones TD's that Fred can't get for himself and you get 5 total TD's.

Just jacking with you--Fred is a great RB.

ok, because if you werent joking, id say.... hmm, look where your total of 12 touchdowns on the ground has gotten you 6-8 i think.
jagualex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-24-2004   #57
Jaxjagman
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Texan


I wonder if LA is seeing what I see. I believe they could get a few more people in the stands.

Wahts up Paul you listening


You obviously haven't followed the history of L.A.They've had two franchises in the past, both times being one of the biggest markets in the U.S,they both failed even with winning teams

Right now the owners want to gamble on one of the biggest markets, around 15M,my guess is three times is a charm to them.IF,they make it,the money going into the owners of the other teams by revenue sharing would be figured out of this world and my guess is the owners are drooling.

My guess would be N.O going with the latest fall out within the city the last couple of weeks.

Far as us,we are a small market team,reducing seats by 10K should have been done years ago

But i'm not here to run smack,good luck to your team Sunday.It should be another close game and another good one.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-26-2004   #58
rittenhouserobz
Hall of Fame
 
rittenhouserobz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,100
Rep Power: 12 rittenhouserobz is ridin' the pine
Send a message via Yahoo to rittenhouserobz
Default

I really don't want the Jags to move to LA. I am glad to hear they are reducing their seats. All I want is to be able to see the Texans play the Jags. I sure hope next years schedule has us playing in Jax before the Reliant game. I want the Texans shooting for a playoff spot at home against the Jags. Nothing could be better.
__________________
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid. Ben Franklin
rittenhouserobz is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Houston Texans Message Board & Forum - TexansTalk.com > The Great Fans of the Houston Texans > Texans Talk
Home Forums Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:54 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Ad Management by RedTyger