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Old 04-24-2007   #21
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I beg to differ.

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I don't know if we need a new thread for Casserly.
Anyhow, I'm one who maintains that Casserly should be credited at least as an average GM. Personally, I give him a B-, I'm sure many people disagree.

Time line: Resigned somewhere around May 11th, 2006.
That is AFTER last year draft.
And AFTER we acquired: Cook, Rosenfels, Weaver, Kevin Walter, Jeb Putzier, Mike Flanagan, ND Kalu, Ephraim Salaam, Eric Moulds.
And AFTER we resigned Shante Orr, Dashon Polk, Troy Evans...

If we're gonna credit Kubiak for some of those moves, then we should do the same and give some bad raps to Capers and McNair instead.

Last I checked Robaire Smith helped the ennemy sweep us last year and Gaffney burned Dunta for a TD.

Todd Wade signed a 2 yr contract with the Skins for 6.2M including 3.5M guaranteed. Maybe Casserly went back there and works behind the scene!

Other guys still have job, including Morency who was elevated to starter (until the Packers change their mind, if they will.)

And here's an interesting BIO from his recent employer. Enjoy (or read and weep, your choice).


http://http://sportsline.com/cbssports/team/ccasserly
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I don't know if we need a new thread for Casserly.
Anyhow, I'm one who maintains that Casserly should be credited at least as an average GM. Personally, I give him a B-, I'm sure many people disagree.

Time line: Resigned somewhere around May 11th, 2006.
That is AFTER last year draft.
And AFTER we acquired: Cook, Rosenfels, Weaver, Kevin Walter, Jeb Putzier, Mike Flanagan, ND Kalu, Ephraim Salaam, Eric Moulds.
And AFTER we resigned Shante Orr, Dashon Polk, Troy Evans...

If we're gonna credit Kubiak for some of those moves, then we should do the same and give some bad raps to Capers and McNair instead.

Last I checked Robaire Smith helped the ennemy sweep us last year and Gaffney burned Dunta for a TD.

Todd Wade signed a 2 yr contract with the Skins for 6.2M including 3.5M guaranteed. Maybe Casserly went back there and works behind the scene!

Other guys still have job, including Morency who was elevated to starter (until the Packers change their mind, if they will.)

And here's an interesting BIO from his recent employer. Enjoy (or read and weep, your choice).


http://http://sportsline.com/cbssports/team/ccasserly
Personally, I don't discredit Casserly for the talent evaluation part of his job. I think he probably did about as well as many GMs would have done. I put a great deal of blame on Capers and his staff for failing to develop some of the guys (not all). I think it's clear by now that at least a few of those guys were more talented than what was shown while wearing a Texans uni.

However, Casserly absolutely killed the team with the money side of his deals. I realize he may have been handcuffed a bit with trying to lure players to an expansion team, but still, he gave up way too much in the Buchanon deal. He gave up way too much to acquire Babin. He spent way too much on Wade. He spent too much on Greenwood. He gave too much money to Gary Walker at the end of his Texans career. I don't recall the specifics of the Robaire Smith deal, but I'd be willing to hazard a guess that he overpaid him as well.

CC had a willingness to gamble on a guy, which isn't entirely a bad thing. The difference when you do that with a Capers-led staff on an expansion team with little surrounding talent vs. when you do that with a team that has an established base of talent is monumental.
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Personally, I don't discredit Casserly for the talent evaluation part of his job. I think he probably did about as well as many GMs would have done. I put a great deal of blame on Capers and his staff for failing to develop some of the guys (not all). I think it's clear by now that at least a few of those guys were more talented than what was shown while wearing a Texans uni.

However, Casserly absolutely killed the team with the money side of his deals. I realize he may have been handcuffed a bit with trying to lure players to an expansion team, but still, he gave up way too much in the Buchanon deal. He gave up way too much to acquire Babin. He spent way too much on Wade. He spent too much on Greenwood. He gave too much money to Gary Walker at the end of his Texans career. I don't recall the specifics of the Robaire Smith deal, but I'd be willing to hazard a guess that he overpaid him as well.

CC had a willingness to gamble on a guy, which isn't entirely a bad thing. The difference when you do that with a Capers-led staff on an expansion team with little surrounding talent vs. when you do that with a team that has an established base of talent is monumental.
The points that you mentioned, I agreed with for the most part. I actually gave him a C, borderline C+, but with the works he done in the last off-season, I bumped his grade to B-.

Every GM would have to go with the HC's wishes at times.
Ya give the guy a job, he asks for certain resources, got to provide them for him to do the job.

If not for the 2-14 season, nobody would be calling for Casserly's head.
The Texans were moving along better than most can expect from an expansion team.

What I'm thinking is that Capers probably had a certain conversation with both McNair and Casserly and gave them his assertion: "Lemme do it with the guys I want" and you can hang my head if I don't get it done.

If we look at the all-time trades of the Texans, overall, they came out ahead more often than not. And then there were those lower round picks who exceed the normal curve.

I think we overemphasized the cap problem a little bit.
Sure, we were among the biggest spenders. But you gave the reason right there.
It's not Casserly's fault that Capers took a 7 win team, with added power, and came up with two wins.
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Interesting thing from the GM presser:


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(on improving the pass rush in this offseason) “I think one of the things that you’re not factoring into the equation that I put a lot of stock in is the addition of (defensive line coach) Jethro Franklin and (senior defensive assistant) Frank Bush working with the defensive linemen that we have already. I think we’re going to be a better group with those two guys working with them. I think (DE) Mario Williams as a healthy player this year will be better and create more pass rush. But I don’t think, that is an area obviously that we have looked at.”
Ew. A couple of thoughts:

1. Kinda throws Karmelowicz under the bus a little.

2. You know, I am not terribly comfortable when the GM talks about coaching being an upgrade to a position. Imagine that. [Carr, offensive line, Pbuch, oh the horror].
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Not necessarily. With Karm's health concern, you got new guy(s) in. Got to welcome them. After all, the two youngsters Maddox and Thomas Johnson were performing quite decent last year.
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If we look at the all-time trades of the Texans, overall, they came out ahead more often than not. And then there were those lower round picks who exceed the normal curve.
I don't know, man...we got hosed in the Buchanan deal, IMO.
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I don't know, man...we got hosed in the Buchanan deal, IMO.
that is just one incident.
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that is just one incident.
Agreed.

Yeah, and there was only one iceberg.

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Amobi just added another first-rounder to the defensive line. Can you imagine the "talent" on the line (front seven) right now?

Babin - first-rounder
Amobi - first-rounder
TJ - first-rounder
Mario Williams - no. 1 pick.
Demeco - second rounder

This is the x year in a row when the Texans drafted defense first. This signals a few things to me:

1. I think it's safe to say TJ is a bust. JMO.
2. Defensive Coordinator is in the hot seat to produce. He has one of the most talented group of defensive linemen in the NFL.
3. Defense had better stop the pass, because the defensive backs are probably not getting much help this year.
4. LT? Maybe something in the third round, but I doubt it...
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Yeah, and there was only one iceberg.

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I don't think that PB was the one who sank the ship. If anything, it would be Capers wanting Riley at LT and his melt down with Coleman that had more of an effect on the season. And injuries.

At any rate, PB played decently for the Bucs last year and was resigned for 2 years at $5M in March. It would be strange for anybody to take a bust and give him that kind of money.
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If anything, it would be Capers wanting Riley at LT
Every time I see the name Riley, I get nauseous. That was an all time huge error in judgment.
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Every time I see the name Riley, I get nauseous. That was an all time huge error in judgment.
It was huge alrite, especially when you heard he said he can eat now that he's now longer in NO, where they wouldnt let him.
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Just curious... how much input did Fangio have in those bad draft picks?
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Just curious... how much input did Fangio have in those bad draft picks?
ouch. that's a question i've never considered ... my head hurts just thinking about it. i cant really pinpoint any "fangio" picks, but i'm willing to bet that he was one lobbying for babin.
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that is just one incident.
If you don't count the time that we traded down with New Orleans who took a Pro Bowl tackle with our pick.

Or the time we gave up tons of draft picks to trade back into the 1st round for Babin.


The only time we've ever gotten over was by trading Drew Henson to Dallas.
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If you don't count the time that we traded down with New Orleans who took a Pro Bowl tackle with our pick.

Or the time we gave up tons of draft picks to trade back into the 1st round for Babin.


The only time we've ever gotten over was by trading Drew Henson to Dallas.
who the other team got for the slot we drafted Babin?

but really, we need to go back and analyze each and every move the Texans made to come up with the final score.

from the expansion draft (a meager pool at that) and so on.
like I said before, maybe we ought to have a new thread for Casserly.
Rid of the misinformations and yeah I hate his hair or the way he speaks.
And truly rate him as what he did right and wrong, without the influence from the national media whom we all know, is all about sexy and hypes.
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If you don't count the time that we traded down with New Orleans who took a Pro Bowl tackle with our pick.

Or the time we gave up tons of draft picks to trade back into the 1st round for Babin.


The only time we've ever gotten over was by trading Drew Henson to Dallas.
i'm at a loss, were there any other significant trades in the capers era? i only remember henson, babin, travis johnson, and buchannon. henson's the only one that actually worked and that one was 90% luck.

hindsight:
babin ... ben troupe, randy starks, bo schobel
buchannon ... stanford routt, andrew walter (although i could throw darts and get better picks ... totupu, thurman, cody, darrent williams, & khalif barnes available)
travis johnson ... OBVIOUSLY derrick johnson. this one still stings, and will for atleast 5 more years.
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travis johnson ... OBVIOUSLY derrick johnson. this one still stings, and will for atleast 5 more years.
Jamaal Brown is twice the player that Derrick Johnson is.
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Jamaal Brown is twice the player that Derrick Johnson is.
You know for all the crap that was said ... you're probably right . I was leaning toward 1.5 times better .
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