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Old 04-27-2007   #21
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If we only got a 2nd rounder out of it, what happens to the rest of the leftover points according to the point scale?
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If we only got a 2nd rounder out of it, what happens to the rest of the leftover points according to the point scale?
It's like Wheel of Fortune used to be:


I can see Rick Smith now - I'll take the ceramic dog for 150 points, The crystal vase for 200 points, the trip to the Bahams for 300 points, and I will take the rest in a gift certificate. And can I get a date with Vanna?
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I am not ga-ga over Gonzalez, but would have no problem with him in a Texans uniform. Preferably in the second round as potentially picking him at #21 is a reach in my opinion.
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As far as value goes....i'll wait til i see complete numbers just like the Schaub deal til i make a decision on value. It's knee Jerk reactions that trip me out like CrunkTex.

As for with the 21st pick.....Kalil or Staley would be my preference but i'm thinking it's a possibility that the Gmen take Staley. Nelson might go the the Jags so i'm not really sure on that one. DB wouldn't be too bad and i'm not really opposed to Jarrett or Bowe in the first. Gonzales will be a second rounder at least depending on what teams are looking for. But this might allow us to get Merriweather in the second now.
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I hope not. I like the addition of a second round, but I dont like trading down that far for a late second. Especially if AP is there.
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I'm not in love with this draft after the first 18 or so picks...so if all we got was two second round values (and the 2nd is a late 2nd)...I'm not real hip on this move. We are pretty much assured a NFL starter at 10. It gets kinda funky after 20 imo. I hope we have something more in the kitty.
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I'm not sold on Gonzales as a first rounder. He looks more like a slot receiver to me. If we do in fact trade down I'd rather us look to grab Nelson in the first round, and perhaps Meachem or Rice if they fall that far to round two. I wouldn't be unhappy to see Jarrett in a Texans uniform, but I don't think he falls to 21.
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I'm not sold on Gonzales as a first rounder. He looks more like a slot receiver to me. If we do in fact trade down I'd rather us look to grab Nelson in the first round, and perhaps Meachem or Rice if they fall that far to round two. I wouldn't be unhappy to see Jarrett in a Texans uniform, but I don't think he falls to 21.
I think we can forget Nelson at 21. We are now in that second group of non-sure fire starters at 21. Nelson projects as a starter easy and won't slide that far imo.
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I think we can forget Nelson at 21. We are now in that second group of non-sure fire starters at 21. Nelson projects as a starter easy and won't slide that far imo.
If that turns out to be the case then we can look for Meachem or Bowe in the first. Perhaps even a OL pick like Kalil or Staley. We could then grab Weddle in Round 2. Depending on the first round pick we could then look at guys like Steve Smith or Williams (out of Fresno State) in round 3.
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As far as value goes....i'll wait til i see complete numbers just like the Schaub deal til i make a decision on value. It's knee Jerk reactions that trip me out like CrunkTex.

As for with the 21st pick.....Kalil or Staley would be my preference but i'm thinking it's a possibility that the Gmen take Staley. Nelson might go the the Jags so i'm not really sure on that one. DB wouldn't be too bad and i'm not really opposed to Jarrett or Bowe in the first. Gonzales will be a second rounder at least depending on what teams are looking for. But this might allow us to get Merriweather in the second now.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! I don't know that Staley will be there at 21 and Kalil might be considered a reach at 21. Although, I've seen Kalil go in the mid-to-high 20s in mocks, and to me, that isn't much of a reach when you consider what Vinny said - we are now out of the surefire starter range. Kalil is a surefire starter, but at a position that hasn't typically been taken that high in the draft.

Oh, and please ..... no Jarrett!
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If that turns out to be the case then we can look for Meachem or Bowe in the first. Perhaps even a OL pick like Kalil or Staley. We could then grab Weddle in Round 2. Depending on the first round pick we could then look at guys like Steve Smith or Williams (out of Fresno State) in round 3.
In round one, Meachem won't be there but Bowe may be. I think Gonzales is a little stiff and I'm not too hot on him. I doubt Staley is there too. I haven't seen Weddle much so I don't have an opinion on him, but at 21 we have a less of a shot at an impact player as we had at 10. I think we moved back too far, too cheaply if this is all we got. Time will tell.
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I think we can forget Nelson at 21. We are now in that second group of non-sure fire starters at 21. Nelson projects as a starter easy and won't slide that far imo.
I agree. I would love Meachem there too but he could be gone also. Cowboys will be looking him and Ginn and some others since they are right behind us. So that would leave Bowe, who I like, Staley, Griffin, etc. I like getting the 2 back.
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In round one, Meachem won't be there but Bowe may be. I think Gonzales is a little stiff and I'm not too hot on him. I doubt Staley is there too. I haven't seen Weddle much so I don't have an opinion on him, but at 21 we have a less of a shot at an impact player as we had at 10. I think we moved back too far, too cheaply if this is all we got. Time will tell.
I'm thinking there may be another pick included in this deal. Perhaps for next years draft. We'll have to wait & see though.
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Well, if all indications are true then I'd be happy with it. I'd be even more happier if we took Nelson with the #21 pick.
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I'm higher on these guys than Vinny is. Maybe the superstars will be gone, but it seems to me picking at #1 didn't get us a superstar once, and the jury is very much out the next time. Picking at #15 certainly didn't get us a decent starter. I just think prejudging the value of a guy can't be done. Jerry Rice wasn't a top 10 pick, and was picked somewhere in the late teens. Seems to me he turned out ok. Terrell Owens was a 3rd pick. Attitude aside, seems to me he was worth it.

Sure, we could use a star player, but we also need a few "good" players. Who here thought Demaco Ryans was a superstar? I know some, like Vinny, were high on him from the start, but I remember on draft day, tons of people on these forums bitching and moaning about the pick. Unlike the last braintrust we had here, I actually trust these guys. Weddle (or whomeever they pick in round 2) can play football. We need more good football players. We are not one guaranteed starter away from a SB appearance. We need to raise the overall talent level on the team, and viewed in that light, this would be an excellent move.
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Well, if all indications are true then I'd be happy with it. I'd be even more happier if we took Nelson with the #21 pick.
Even Griffin would be a big improvement over what we have at FS now. Merriweather doesn't seem like much of a possibility with his character issues.
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I think I'm OK with this trade. I hope they do actually wait to do it until they see who falls though.
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I'm thinking there may be another pick included in this deal. Perhaps for next years draft. We'll have to wait & see though.
The Broncos have an extra 3rd round pick this year, though. We're getting screwed on draft value points, and why are they doing the deal now? Wait until you're on the clock, FFS. Now, if AP or Okoye, or some other amazing slide happens, we won't be in position to take advantage of it. Dumb things happen on draft day. I don't mind 21, and there are players I wouldn't mind targeting in that range (see above), but there's no reason to play your hand now, on the eve of draft day. And we really need to get another pick to even things out.

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#10 pick = 1300 pts.

#21 pick = 800 pts.
#56 pick = 340 pts.
#86 pick = 160 pts.

800+340+160=1300 ... the math actually works out well, unless you don't include their 3rd round pick.
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I'm higher on these guys than Vinny is. Maybe the superstars will be gone, but it seems to me picking at #1 didn't get us a superstar once, and the jury is very much out the next time. Picking at #15 certainly didn't get us a decent starter. I just think prejudging the value of a guy can't be done. Jerry Rice wasn't a top 10 pick, and was picked somewhere in the late teens. Seems to me he turned out ok. Terrell Owens was a 3rd pick. Attitude aside, seems to me he was worth it.

Sure, we could use a star player, but we also need a few "good" players. Who here thought Demaco Ryans was a superstar? I know some, like Vinny, were high on him from the start, but I remember on draft day, tons of people on these forums bitching and moaning about the pick. Unlike the last braintrust we had here, I actually trust these guys. Weddle (or whomeever they pick in round 2) can play football. We need more good football players. We are not one guaranteed starter away from a SB appearance. We need to raise the overall talent level on the team, and viewed in that light, this would be an excellent move.
This is just more reason to make sure we get that extra 3rd that they have, as well. It just gets old watching our FO get screwed over and over and over again.
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I'm thinking there may be another pick included in this deal. Perhaps for next years draft. We'll have to wait & see though.
Thats what I'm thinking.

I hope this doesn't come across as being ignorant to the facts but it seems to me that some GMs, teams, etc thrive in finding the diamonds in the rough or the talent they need at certain spots. We have discussed Denver and their O-line and how Foster was at #20 and all the other guys below that. I, for some reason, trust them to make this pick work and think they can get two quality guys in Rds 1 and 2 compared to someone at #10, which to me was a tricky pick. I think there is alot of quality guys left who can fit our system at #21.
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