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Old 12-16-2004   #41
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Splitting a hair with you here Marcus but I believe the Texans do have the talent to be a playoff caliber team right now. Surely they're a few players and some depth away from being "talent-wise" anything more than a first round speed bump but I think starter for starter the Texans have enough players to be that first round speed bump.

What they lack is the experience to be a playoff team. In some places you've got guys who have that experience but it's lacking in too many of the important places. In years to come I think we'll look at a lot of these same guys playing very well and see clearly that, with the exception of a few pieces, the Texans simply lacked the head/heart of a playoff team in 2004. Not enough experience in key places.

A minor thing really, I pretty much think you nailed it on the Fire Everyone Now crowd though.
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Well, Herv, since we're splitting hairs, do you mind elaborating a little more with "the Texans simply lacked the head/heart of a playoff team in 2004"?

It just gives the impression that you're saying that they aren't trying hard enough, and if that's the case, I disagree.
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Old 12-16-2004   #43
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hmmm would this be strange if i was to say i think our defense is better than our offense ???? And i agree with herv, they just dont seem to be giving 100% ALL THE TIME. We are a few draft picks and FA away from beign a play-off team.
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Well, Herv, since we're splitting hairs, do you mind elaborating a little more with "the Texans simply lacked the head/heart of a playoff team in 2004"?

It just gives the impression that you're saying that they aren't trying hard enough, and if that's the case, I disagree.

Well, maybe head/heart wasn't exactly the best way for me to put it.

What they're lacking I think is the knowledge and experience (the "head") that they need to exploit their talent to the fullest. Experience is just time here. Well spent time really and David Carr being pounded into a little Steel Blue lump of "ouch" wasn't what I'd call well spent time.

I have no doubt they're trying but the understanding of exactly how much you have to try in order to win at this level consistently is something a lot of our young guys don't have. First, second, and third year players (not to put that out as an excuse or anything like that) with no real success yet in the NFL don't yet have a grasp of how much desire you need to make that success happen. The veterans have it in many cases and they can tell the young guys what you need to do but that alone won't make it happen. The light bulb has to come on before they can really be that playoff team we're talking about. That's what I meant by "heart".
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hmmm would this be strange if i was to say i think our defense is better than our offense ???? And i agree with herv, they just dont seem to be giving 100% ALL THE TIME. We are a few draft picks and FA away from beign a play-off team.

Don't agree with me on that because that's really not what I meant. I think they're trying 100% all the time. I don't think they want to go out there and be embarrassed by other teams at all. The frustration bubbling up lately from their locker room shows me that they aren't happy with the way things have been turning out.

They don't yet know how to be that team but a lot of the pieces are in place. A lot of the guys we're complaining about off and on now are going to be good players. Seth Wand I believe is going to be a very good LT some day. He's got learning to do of course just like a lot of our young guys but he's going to be better. David Carr is going to be better. Andre Johnson is going to be better (man isn't that scary). They have the bodies with the physical abillity to do these things. They don't have the knowledge, experience, and trust in each other yet to get it done. What they need isn't a whole bunch of better players (some would be nice here and there but that's a different subject). Most of the players are in place and good enough to go beat people.
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Ok, here are some of my ideas to beat this kryptonite II.

1) Occasionally drop AJ into the slot. If they want their CBs on the outside with their safeties backed up really far, let them cover Bradford/Gaffney/Armstrong with double coverage all day, we'll let Andre have his way with nickel backs and linebackers.

- If they move a starting CB over to the slot for Andre, that leaves someone on the outside with a nickel and maybe a safety. In that case, Andre is single covered.

- If the safety moves up a little for Andre, whoever is on the outside is going to be single covered.

Another thing. When Davis is going out for a short pattern (like in the flat) have Bruener do a short slant to the outside so Davis has blocking in front of him. The WR should take care of the CB and S in their C2, and that leaves 3 linebackers to get to Davis, the first of which would hopefully be picked up by Bruener. By the time they get Davis, he should be a little ways down the field.

I think this is the game, that although their scheme is designed to stop deep passing, will be the game we force our Will upon the opponent.

Here's the the main difference to me between this game and last games cover 2. Indy can afford to sit back in a cover 2 all day letting us get down the field because they knew their offense could make up for whatever we managed to accomplish. The Bears though are possibly the worst offense in the league, and can't rely on Hutch and Co. to score a bunch of points. In fact, I see our defense getting a score in this game.

I never do predictions since I usually feel like I'm jinxing the team, but I'll go out on a limb here.

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Pardon me while I repeat that.

Say AJ doesn't catch it and the safety picks it off, 99% of you would be on here raising hell about Carr's bad decision making and how he is forcing it to AJ.

Pardon me while I repeat that again.

Say AJ doesn't catch it and the safety picks it off, 99% of you would be on here raising hell about Carr's bad decision making and how he is forcing it to AJ.

Anyone listening?
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we just don't try--less complaints that way, course more losses,too, but-hey-
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Just in case anyone is wondering.

When I'm watching the game, and I see Carr dropping back for a pass, either from a straight drop or off a play-action, and I see him looking downfield . . . I can actually hear myself (along with my wife) muttering out loud ....

"Throw it Carr! Throw it, THROW IT! THROW IT, *********, THROW IT!"

... and then he either dumps it to DD, scrambles, or gets sacked.

Yeah, it frustrates me to no end to watch that over, and over again.

But then sometimes I wonder how frustrating that is to Carr.
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I do that too Marcus. Lol. But, the tv doesn't show us the downfield coverage. There are times when a risky pass is ok though, and can substitute for a punt. If we are near midfield and Andre is doubled, but it's either chuck it up, take a sack, or maybe throw it away, why not give your playmaker a chance to actually make a play? It worked early on, and they have totally gone away from that.

Hey, good stuff ledzepplin. Certainly interesting food for thought.
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