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Old 12-14-2004   #41
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Sharper want's someone to lead?

How about Sharper leading? Why is he looking for a leader? That is the problem with this team. Everyone is looking for someone else to lead us.
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How about Sharper leading? Why is he looking for a leader? That is the problem with this team. Everyone is looking for someone else to lead us."
My thoughts exactly when I read this.
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"Sharper want's someone to lead?

How about Sharper leading? Why is he looking for a leader? That is the problem with this team. Everyone is looking for someone else to lead us."


My thoughts exactly when I read this.

Sharper is referring to the game planning. He specifically stated that the team needs to play to win games and not just stay close. They players don't get to decide which schemes and plays to run, this falls on the coaches. The coaches are not putting them in a position to succeed.
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``To me, the challenge is every guy has to look within himself to see what he can do better,'' Capers said. ``The first sign of a losing team is if you start to see excuses, ( ie my players dont execute")and people pointing fingers and placing blame.'' (ie 'we need someone to show us the way.)

I guess the first sign of being a losing team is upon us.

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I'm not defending the coaching staff, but if Sharper is concerned about a lack of leadership he needs to look in the mirror. Everyone on this board saying that Sharper deserves to be in the Pro Bowl needs to start watching Houston Texans games.

Instead of Sharper looking for a leader he needs to make sure he doesn't get stiff-armed to the turf by a running back in route to a 20 yard gain. Sure, EJ of the Colts is a pretty darn good RB, but this has happened quite a few times this year to our "Pro Bowl caliber" LB.

And Gary Walker needs to get some sacks before he complains to the media about anyone other than himself.
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well according to one poster i guess im officially an appologist. funny thing is i was only writting what i thought was obvious. we have lost to good teams. im not sugar coating anything when i say that. its fact. god help us had the steelers ,eagles ,and pats been on our schedule...i can see the headlines now :

" dozens dead as texans' message board cult committs mass suicide! "

and for all those doubters about a transition period should a new regime take over, go ahead and point out the exceptions like atlanta. those are few and far between. lets not forget we run a 3-4 defense wich requires a certain kind of lineman and a certain kind of linebacker. could it adapt to a 4-3? nodoubt. but its not going to be smooth or fast. not fast enough to appease many of the impatient fans here. i'd perfer to give it another season or so and let "them" work out the kinks if possible.

does that fall into the category of an appologist? i guess so. it dosent call for immediate change wich is what some of you want.

well dont let me stop now...theres more worth appologizing for. lets see...

-marcus coleman's move to free safety. i think it went pretty well. im happy about it.

-dunta robinson. defensive rookie of the year...do i have to say more?

-seth wand. while his performance hasnt been great, he hasnt been nearly as bad as i thought he would be. and he will get better.

-andre johnson. no sophmore jinx and a certified superstar about to happen.

-glenn earl. nice surprise. i didnt expect much from him till next year.

-jason babin. no hes not highlight film material and he did have a rough start but i think hes proved his worth on potential and not being on the bench. ( i just know im gonna catch hell for this one...) he is getting better.

-robaire smith. slow start but hes improved as the season has progressed. he consistently takes up 2 blockers and thats what hes expected to do.

-david carr. (remind me to take my shoe off before i put my foot in my mouth ,but here goes...) for a brief period this year we did see carr progress dramatically. he hinted at what he was capable of and was on pace for over 4,000 yards. (i dont recall a lot of "kill the coach" threads at the time.) what happened? the running game wasnt there to begin with and then the pass protection broke down. carr caught a case of "shell shock" all over again and his mechanics went to ****. why? THE LINE.

am i an appologist because last year i saw the offense only show potential in 1 or so drives every 2 or 3 games? am i an appologist because this year i saw the same team go from glimpses of offense to extended periods? (ie. 2-3 games in a row and an offense rated in the top 10 for the first half of the season)? wouldnt that be considered progress? oh and please, someone remind me how far into the season we made it with a chance to make the playoffs. a lot farther into the season then last year huh? wouldnt that be considered progress?

i think thats a pretty easy question to answer.

but im not all "butterflies and daises". my glasses arent completly fogged over. i do have concerns. in fact i have lots of them. and at no point in this post or my previous one on this thread did you see me say we dont have problems or we dont have issues. fact of the matter is, my typical post is more critical of the team then positive. im just looking for a more subtle solution then "axeing" a coordinator or a head coach.

let me share a couple of those concerns with you (i'm long winded arent i?)

-the offensive line. mckinney's got to go and im begining to feel the same about weigert.

-the "3 kings" formation. you remember the formation we used almost exclusivley for the 1st quarter of the season? we stopped useing it because defenses began to find ways to beat it. evidently palmer hasnt found a solution to whatever it is the defenses started doing...or maybe the renewed intrest in a running game has made it a liability. in either case it was effective for a time and it should be updated and reinstalled. (i got the feeling carr knew that portion of the offense better then any other).

-bill callahan and bill parcells. why should that concern me? both of those coaches lost their players (read that team) in one fell swoop. something happened in practice...something happened between a player and the coach...in some dramatic fashion for whatever reason the players lost all hope and respect in their coach. i'm begining to wonder if it hasnt happened for capers. it seems even if he hasnt lost the team he has lost a lot of fans.

-gary "freaking" walker. his performance has dropped off. his stats may or may not be about the same ,but when crunch time hits he's nowhere to be found. and yet...reporters have no problem finding him after a game rumbling on about how we have no leaders and taking subtle shots at the coaching staff. all of this and at what price against the cap? i hate to say it (and i hope im wrong) but i can very easily see him turning into a cancer for this team in a number of ways...

theres more. theres a lot more...to be negative and positive about ,but i think overall progress was made. perhaps it was at a crawl rather then the fevered pace you wanted...but it was progress nonetheless.

(pops a prozac...yes, i have a prescription )

am i still an appologist? hmmm. and all this time i had me pegged as a realist
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All hail King Powda! Well put once again for the second time in two days i beleive. Keep it coming, i normally hate reading long messages, but that was a masterpiece.
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We have Chester Pitts and Seth Wand starting as our linemen. 2 projects. If I were on this team i'd be pretty mad too. But I wouldn't be talking to reporters about it. I'd be taking it out on the next opponent, Da Bears.
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Texans Pride, Sharper knows exactly who he's talking about and so do we. Somebody has to show us the way. There's a light at the end of the tunnel, but who's going to direct us there? We need somebody to direct us to wins instead of close games. if that's not aimed at the coaching staff & dom capers in particular that i'm officially clueless.

Scooter, you are correct, Sharper himself knows who he is talking about, and I'm pretty sure that we all do too (coaching staff). My point was that untill we hear him say it himself, we can't go around quoting him for sure saying that. We can speculate, but we can't say for sure.

That is all I was saying.
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I'm guessing (so as to not offend anyone) that Sharper has an opinion but thinks it unwise to say more. That make sense?

I'm so tired of "support only" fans. I went through it with the Oilers, with the Titans (they were just as bad as the apologists here, though that seems to have changed by now--the Titan board in much more realistic and honest than it used to be), and now I've spent a couple years here with smart people who nevertheless are willing to forgive anything in the name of expansion team, or only the 2nd year, and now only the 3rd year. Face it, folks, we have a mess on our hands in the Texans, and it doesn't look like there's anyone around who can or will clean it up.
Is it really that enjoyable to be so negative ? May I suggest Cleveland or San Francisco you could really have fun.
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Is it really that enjoyable to be so negative ? May I suggest Cleveland or San Francisco you could really have fun.
LoL good one Texan Gal
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Is it really that enjoyable to be so negative ? May I suggest Cleveland or San Francisco you could really have fun.

Why does someone have to be in 100% agreement with what the Texans organization to be a true fan of this team? Just because you don't agree with what is being done, and you have an opinion that is different then others, doesn't mean you don't love this team!

I don't agree with the coaching staff here, I'd like to see a change, just as many others would, and I am as much a Texan fan as anyone else, and so are they. Hell, I based where we were going to live off getting a view of the Southern sky so we could get the Sunday Ticket on Directv. I live in Colorado and still flew home to see four games this year.

So please, have your opinion, all of your opinions, feel free to voice them, but don't question someones feelings for this team just because they don't agree with you.
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with this much negativity regarding the team right now isnt it natural to question the team, other fans, and opinions in general?

we're all frustrated wether we're completly accepting of the team or not...

and lets not forget, your on a message board. all post are fair game for the random smart*ss comment.


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Not worth it powda. Your fighting a losing battle. 3rd yr not over and time for a coaching change. Live with it.
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ya know your right. if that whole new coach thing dosent work out lets try for a new general manager and then maybe a new owner. before we're done maybe we can try for a new city...ohhh wait...
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I can tell you from watching the Oilers for years that changing coaches every 3yrs. doesnt work. They sucked because Bud kept canning coaches.
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your preaching to the choir bro. this team has issues ,but not enough to start whacking coaches and coordinators.
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losing sucks, but that's not what bothers me. what bothers me is that we've been playing to keep games close since the first year. this is not a new knee-jerk discussion created because we lost some games. i'm a season ticket holder and have been to one game this season because playing not to lose simply frustrates me too much and apparently it's finally getting frustrating on the field aswell. capers was brought in to get an expansion team started ... well, we've started. now we let a game day guru take the reigns and move forward. if we're not capable of finding a coach for this team, that that sucks and stick with capers ... noone wants a rebuild. we have the on field personnel, our owner & gm are fantastic, all that's missing is someone who reacts and makes adjustments DURING the game.

our line as powda eluded to is a huge problem also, but it's not squarely on them. carr (who i'm not bashing, yet ... i still see potential) HAS to know where his receivers are going and see the field before and during the snap. instead he drops back and then scans, and his progressions are simply too slow. getting better, but still too slow. by that time pressure is getting there and he scrambles ... no lineman in football can keep up with a constantly moving quarterback. this is something that has to be practiced ... see the defense, drop 3-5 steps, hit the receiver. once that's done, replace weigert & mckinney.

oh, and why doesnt sharper look in the mirror? if leading by example is an option, he's king. for 3 years straight he's been our best player on defense and possibly in the organization. after 40+ games of futility he's frustrated and finally said so. he is leading, and now he's pointing to next in the chain of command to do their job because he's kicking butt at his. along with dunta & coleman, they've done everything right ... but bend & dont break should've quit when everyone got off of IR. capers focused on not giving other teams the big play, but he's making sure we avoid em too.
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