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Old 12-08-2004   #21
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i dont think you can question a lot of our loyalty to this team ! We all love this team and only complain because we want to see them become a great team, and we have all the weapons to do so, one more off season and everything should be in place ! We have a bright future !
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Since the question of difficulty of the schedule has come up, the schedule next year is:

AFC South plus:

Home:
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Arizona
St. Louis
and currently Kansas City--this spot depends on final standings.

Away
Baltimore
Cincinnati
San Francisco
Seattle
and Buffalo--depends on final standings.
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Old 12-08-2004   #23
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seems like a pretty easy schedule ! about time the patriots had an harder schedule than us !
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What do people expect from a 3rd year franchise?!? How many drafts have we been thru?!? How many Veterans do we have?!? Geez let this organization get a little grass under them......we swept Buds Titans, thats a MAJOR improvement, not to mention we kept Priest from scoring, shut down Mcnair/C.Brown and Leftwich/F.Taylor...if you wanna look up stats, look at our TE stats, that is our weakest link by far...15 rec and 1 td between 2 TE's?!?
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What do people expect from a 3rd year franchise?!? How many drafts have we been thru?!? How many Veterans do we have?!? Geez let this organization get a little grass under them......we swept Buds Titans, thats a MAJOR improvement, not to mention we kept Priest from scoring, shut down Mcnair/C.Brown and Leftwich/F.Taylor...if you wanna look up stats, look at our TE stats, that is our weakest link by far...15 rec and 1 td between 2 TE's?!?

oh i agree we have a solid foundation, and this team will be special ! the owner and GM have done a good job and i dont think anyone could of done any better !
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GET RID OF THE NICE GUYS, COACH CAPERS AND CHRIS PALMER! THERE IS A REASON THESE PEOPLE DIDNíT HAVE JOBS WHEN THIS TEAM STARTED! I love this team, but itís not a tennis team or a polo teamÖ.ITíS A DAMN FOOTBALL TEAM!
I felt the same way the first 2 seasons about Capers, But if anyone's improved for this team he has, I hated his play calling, he was WAY too conservative, but he has taken alot of chances this season and alot of the times it's worked in our favor, Capers may not be one of the best coaches, and by far not a miracle worker, but give the man a chance, at least another year.

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i think this team can win with capers still here ! next season will be his make or break season !
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I like the way people are willing to give 5 full years before deciding whether someone is doing their job good enough or not. No measuring stick along the way just do your thing. Capers is a loser as a head coach and Palmer is a bigger one. It wouldn't be a setback to bring in a new coaching staff in the offseason it would be a step forward. It wouldn't take much for a new coaching staff to beat this years record by at least 1 game next year so some of you could get your 1 game improvement over the previous year and be happy.

I know. We are an expansion team and this only our 3rd year blah balh blah.


PS-The Texans were tied with 1 other team last year for the toughest schedule.
We won 5 games with probably the most players on ir in the league. Where is
the improvement this year. Heck the 2003 Texans could beat the pants off
the 2004 Texans.

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aight im gonna do something against my better judgement here and tell you that i think the texans have (had) the ability to be a playoff team this year and next. with that said you need a little more talent on both sides of the ball, andre johnson is a stud and carr is pretty good but he is inconsistant. davis is a decent back but you also need to add a redzone back, someone who can catch and or pound it in.

your linebackers are terrible in pass coverage and the secondary plays to soft. consistancy is the key for the texans, you guys will play above your expectaions one week and then have a melt down the next week. in the nfl you have to have a play action threat and the texans as far as ive seen dont, they are far to predictible on play calling.

but all in all for a 3rd year team you guys are hangin in there and will be better for it in the long run if you stick it out with carr and company. as far as firing the coaches goes capers deserves at least another year to get you guys over the hump imo. i think you guys will get there, prob not this sunday but next year should be better than the previous 3.
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I say bring on the Ray Lewis, the Chad Johnson, and hell yeah, bring me TO! They're jerks, they're rude, they care about themselves, say whatever you want, but one thing you have to say is that they are amazing football players that pump their teams up. Look at the Eagles; they were a good team the last few years. With the addition of TO, they are a great team, and it is because of his attitude and fire that he brings to the table.

GET RID OF THE NICE GUYS, COACH CAPERS AND CHRIS PALMER! THERE IS A REASON THESE PEOPLE DIDNíT HAVE JOBS WHEN THIS TEAM STARTED! I love this team, but itís not a tennis team or a polo teamÖ.ITíS A DAMN FOOTBALL TEAM
What has rudeness to do with football skills? The Eagles added an excellent receiver and got better that way. The didn't look for a jerk to come in and add some fire! As far as i know they considered him a risk for team chemistry because of his Egoism and smash mouthing. But he isn't a better player, cause he's rude,as it sounds like this in your text.

Peyton Manning is a quiet and nice guy compared to monsters like Ray Lewis or a trash-talker Owens. Does that diminish his skills?

Having said that i believe the Texans can every draft pick they can get and one or two FA. Just some quality players to get them closer.
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What do people expect from a 3rd year franchise?!?
I expected 7-9 or 8-8. Anything less than 7 wins is a disappointment for me, considering it's been a relatively injury free season up until now.

Next year I expect 9-7. That's what the 4th year Browns did.

It's a fine line. If the Texans had won - say ...one more game so far this season, and were sitting at 6-6 we'd be talking about wild card potential and there wouldn't be all the Capers/Palmer bashing. (what about Fangio?)

On second thought - yes ... there still would be Capers Palmer bashing because if we were 6-6, the haters would be saying why not 7-5?, and if we were 7-5, they'd be *****ing about not being in first place or the stupid Palmer play call that prevented us from being in first place... whatever ... there's still 1/4 of the season to play. Get back to me after the Cleveland game. We have all off season to play owner or GM.
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The last couple of years we pretty much lost to anybody and won a few here and there because we didn't give up, had some luck go our way, or the other team just wasn't up to par and we were able to take advantage...several of the games we won weren't won because we were just that good. I heard a sports announcer say something a few weeks back and it stuck with me and you all can take it how ya like but I see it as an improvement. The announcer had said that the Texans have won the games they are supposed to and lost the ones they were expected to lose (not by Texans fans of course). The blow outs are rediculous and there's no excuse. There were a couple of games we were in and should have won against very good teams but couldn't pull them out because we couldn't stay consistent throughout the game. From what I can see we're not losing to the bad teams anymore. Teams that are on a losing streak don't look at us as a win to break the cycle. Good teams, whether admitted or not, are scared of us because they don't know what to expect. Next year, we will be the surprise team. I'm not giving up on this year yet. If we do go 7-9 I will be exstatic and if not then I'm sure that will be the talk for the next 5 - 7 months so there's plenty of time to discuss it. I don't believe firing people is the answer but a few do need to get their heads out of their rears. Thank you for your time and I'll be here all week. LOL
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Personally I see a lot of progress. People who say they don't must not be really paying attention. Does anyone really think that a team that has only been around 3 years when most of the big play guys everyone keeps saying we need haven't even been here the whole 3 years is supposed to play error free consistant football. If so I don't know what league you have been watching. With everything the Texans have been working through things are going great. As a fan ofcourse I would like to see us in the top of the division headed to the playoffs, but that is a dream not an accoplishable goal at this point in the evolution. We have the first 1000 yard reciever in Texans history and everyone want to say there has to be problems with the offense. We start 3 rookies on defence and everyone says are defence should be a top ten defence. Daunta has inpressed me with not only his pass protection but also his willingness to make a hit. Andre is leading all the best recivers of all time almost when compared with them at the same number of games. DD is a good running back possibly a great running back but they changed the way the line blocks and that takes some adjustment time. That is like someone changing the computer program you use at work to do your job and expecting you to work twice as fast with little training. Most of the people on this board are not only discouraging to the fans but possibly also the players and I think you need to give credit where credit is due.
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The Texans have the Bears and Browns coming up, 2 very winnable games. If we win just one more game then that is 1 more than we had last, so yes it is without any doubt a progress. I pointed out at the beginning of the season that we should call a 6-10 season a success when you factor in that we are starting 3 guys on our offensive line that are playing for the first time at their spots, every year there has been a different rotation of men on the offensive line. Add to that that we are using a new offensive blocking scheme. Carr is in his 3rd year and has one of the younger receiving corps in the league. All this and we havn't even gotten to the defensive side of the ball where as it stands now 8 of the guys playing at their positions where not there a year ago. Thats over 70% of defense in a new positon and some of you expect the playoffs???? I don't get all that. It pretty easy to tell that the Texans lack cohesion and timing. You may look for answers in the coaching ability of Capers, Palmer and Fangio, but it's a pretty glaring reality why we have only 5 wins right now. I'm surprised to see people reaching for clues as to why we are not successfull yet. You can even look at last game when Carr gets nail and then has a neck injury, yet everyone expects him to play like a superstar against a top 5 defense. Now I hear that we have no excuses because we are injury free?? Take a look now, we have 9 guys on the defensive side of the ball that weren't at that position significantly last year.
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The Texans have the Bears and Browns coming up, 2 very winnable games. If we win just one more game then that is 1 more than we had last, so yes it is without any doubt a progress. I pointed out at the beginning of the season that we should call a 6-10 season a success when you factor in that we are starting 3 guys on our offensive line that are playing for the first time at their spots, every year there has been a different rotation of men on the offensive line. Add to that that we are using a new offensive blocking scheme. Carr is in his 3rd year and has one of the younger receiving corps in the league. All this and we havn't even gotten to the defensive side of the ball where as it stands now 8 of the guys playing at their positions where not there a year ago. Thats over 70% of defense in a new positon and some of you expect the playoffs???? I don't get all that. It pretty easy to tell that the Texans lack cohesion and timing. You may look for answers in the coaching ability of Capers, Palmer and Fangio, but it's a pretty glaring reality why we have only 5 wins right now. I'm surprised to see people reaching for clues as to why we are not successfull yet. You can even look at last game when Carr gets nail and then has a neck injury, yet everyone expects him to play like a superstar against a top 5 defense. Now I hear that we have no excuses because we are injury free?? Take a look now, we have 9 guys on the defensive side of the ball that weren't at that position significantly last year.

i no longer look at games on the schedule and consider any of the "winnable" ! Cant do that considering we play like a play-off team one wek and a team full of rookies the next week. With alittle added consistency maybe we could, but u'd be crazy to bet money on this team even if they were playing the Arizona Cardnials. All that beign said i still support this team and watch EVERY game so dont call me an unloyal fan, if i was why would i be here !
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What has rudeness to do with football skills? The Eagles added an excellent receiver and got better that way. The didn't look for a jerk to come in and add some fire! As far as i know they considered him a risk for team chemistry because of his Egoism and smash mouthing. But he isn't a better player, cause he's rude,as it sounds like this in your text.
You are correct, rudness doesn't have anything to do with football skills. That is not what I was saying. Over the off season, when players with this "bad attitude" were talked about by the fans, many would say, "Don't bring them here, we don't need that kind of attitude on this team." It seems that people want the good wholesome guys that are rold model citizens.

What I am saying, is I don't care if they are nice guys or not, I don't care if they say please and thank you, I care about thier football playing skills, and that is it! If a guy is a great athlete then I want him on this team, I don't care about anything else. With that being said, I do believe that there is a certain attitude that a player should have. I want a tough, ruthless player, who yes, doesn't give a damn what others think.

But to answer your question. No, being rude doesn't make you a good football player, but having a certain swagger and fire about you sure helps.
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yeah you can talk to most college players and some nfl guys

if you have a guy on the team that you can get ticked off once in awhile, it'll make you play better

T.O. is more than likely not well liked on gamedays because he cries about wanting that ball. That makes the other receivers go out there and try to show they're on his level.

Guys like T.O., Al Harris, Ray Lewis, John Henderson, Chad Johnson, and earlier in the year, Steve Smith help get a team fired up to go compete up at his level
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