HPF article on Carr.

[CowboysTexansFan]

Originally Posted by DocBar

We're paying him #1 overall $$ cuz that's where he was selected. He's not performing because the Capers regime coddled him and refused to upgrade our OL, he's been sacked a bazillion times, he's had more offensive coordinators than you've had girlfriends, and Kubiak sees/saw potential in Carr and thinks/thought he could make the difference in his career. Hindsight sees 20/20 even when it's fuzzy. IMHO, the Texans let Carr down more than Carr let the Texans down. He deserves a CMH for the abuse he's taken. And, hopefully, a fresh start with another team.

I liked all of your comments, except that one!

[TwinSisters]

Originally Posted by old football fan

Russell certainly has all the tools but was just to up or down during the season. Quinn is just avg at best and the rest of the group are pretty much projects. I do agree with you the most of the great QB's have come from the late rounds. Marino, Brady, Montana just to name a few. Bradshaw also.

here's the list of HOF QBs


1989 1 1 1 Troy Aikman Cowboys UCLA 2006
1984u 1 1 1 Steve Young Buccaneers Brigham Young 2005
1983 1 1 1 John Elway Colts Stanford 2004
1983 1 14 14 Jim Kelly Bills Miami (FL) 2002
1983 1 27 27 Dan Marino Dolphins Pittsburgh 2005
1979 3 26 82 Joe Montana 49ers Notre Dame 2000
1973 3 12 64 Dan Fouts Chargers Oregon 1993
1970 1 1 1 Terry Bradshaw Steelers Louisiana Tech 1989
1967 1 4 4 Bob Griese Dolphins Purdue 1990
1965 1 1 1 Joe Namath Jets Alabama 1985
1965 1 12 12 Joe Namath Cardinals Alabama 1985
1964 10 3 129 Roger Staubach Cowboys Navy 1985
1961 3 1 29 Fran Tarkenton Vikings Georgia 1986
1957 1 5 5 Len Dawson Steelers Purdue 1987
1957 4 6 43 Sonny Jurgensen Eagles Duke 1983
1956 17 7 200 Bart Starr Packers Alabama 1977
1955 9 5 102 Johnny Unitas Steelers Louisville 1979
1949 4 6 37 Norm Van Brocklin Rams Oregon 1971
1949 12 5 116 Jim Finks Steelers Tulsa 1995
1949 12 8 119 George Blanda Bears Kentucky 1981
1948 1 3 3 Bobby Layne Bears Texas 1967
1948 1 6 6 Y.A. Tittle Lions Louisiana State 1971
1944 1 4 4 Otto Graham Lions Northwestern 1965
1944 5 10 42 Bob Waterfield Rams UCLA 1965
1939 1 2 2 Sid Luckman Bears Columbia 1965
1937 1 6 6 Sammy Baugh Redskins Texas Christian 1963
1937 2 3 13 Clarence (Ace) Parker Dodgers Duke 1972

[TwinSisters]

Originally Posted by Bob McNair

Either I'm not as cynical or more cynical than you, but I don't think the organization takes ticket renewals, etc into account when making football decisions. If they did, then real Bob would have demanded either Bush or Young last year. I think they are always trying to improve the non-football marketing part of the business.

No kidding around here:

I think you have to ask the question, Does a team play better when they have fan support?

'I' think the answer is yes. I think that your chances of winning increase when you score and the house is behind you. I think you have a better chance of winning when the house is making noise during the snap count.

So on that account the fans are a football decision. The ticket buying fan anyway ( at least the ones that can afford it ).

[CowboysTexansFan]

Originally Posted by TwinSisters

here's the list of HOF QBs


1989 1 1 1 Troy Aikman Cowboys UCLA 2006
1984u 1 1 1 Steve Young Buccaneers Brigham Young 2005
1983 1 1 1 John Elway Colts Stanford 2004
1983 1 14 14 Jim Kelly Bills Miami (FL) 2002
1983 1 27 27 Dan Marino Dolphins Pittsburgh 2005
1979 3 26 82 Joe Montana 49ers Notre Dame 2000
1973 3 12 64 Dan Fouts Chargers Oregon 1993
1970 1 1 1 Terry Bradshaw Steelers Louisiana Tech 1989
1967 1 4 4 Bob Griese Dolphins Purdue 1990
1965 1 1 1 Joe Namath Jets Alabama 1985
1965 1 12 12 Joe Namath Cardinals Alabama 1985
1964 10 3 129 Roger Staubach Cowboys Navy 1985
1961 3 1 29 Fran Tarkenton Vikings Georgia 1986
1957 1 5 5 Len Dawson Steelers Purdue 1987
1957 4 6 43 Sonny Jurgensen Eagles Duke 1983
1956 17 7 200 Bart Starr Packers Alabama 1977
1955 9 5 102 Johnny Unitas Steelers Louisville 1979
1949 4 6 37 Norm Van Brocklin Rams Oregon 1971
1949 12 5 116 Jim Finks Steelers Tulsa 1995
1949 12 8 119 George Blanda Bears Kentucky 1981
1948 1 3 3 Bobby Layne Bears Texas 1967
1948 1 6 6 Y.A. Tittle Lions Louisiana State 1971
1944 1 4 4 Otto Graham Lions Northwestern 1965
1944 5 10 42 Bob Waterfield Rams UCLA 1965
1939 1 2 2 Sid Luckman Bears Columbia 1965
1937 1 6 6 Sammy Baugh Redskins Texas Christian 1963
1937 2 3 13 Clarence (Ace) Parker Dodgers Duke 1972

Great information, thanks.

I think Staubach should have an asterisk by his name, though, because while he was a 10th round pick, he was picked that low because had to serve 4 years in the U.S. Navy. If he hadn't gone to a military academy he would have undoubtedly been drafted in the 1st round.

[DRAMA]

David Carr will not be a 'backup' for the Texans next year at his salary. Is he or is he not our starting QB?? THAT is the question that Kubes will be asking and answreing. If he is, he starts. If he is not, he's cut or traded. Those are really the only logical options.

Seriously, DC will not be a backup here. That makes no sense. If #8 from Fresno State returns, he's starting...

(At which point, I will inject heroin into the side of my eyeball and inhale through my nose a large bowl of cayenne pepper!)

[old football fan]

Originally Posted by TwinSisters

here's the list of HOF QBs


1989 1 1 1 Troy Aikman Cowboys UCLA 2006
1984u 1 1 1 Steve Young Buccaneers Brigham Young 2005
1983 1 1 1 John Elway Colts Stanford 2004
1983 1 14 14 Jim Kelly Bills Miami (FL) 2002
1983 1 27 27 Dan Marino Dolphins Pittsburgh 2005
1979 3 26 82 Joe Montana 49ers Notre Dame 2000
1973 3 12 64 Dan Fouts Chargers Oregon 1993
1970 1 1 1 Terry Bradshaw Steelers Louisiana Tech 1989
1967 1 4 4 Bob Griese Dolphins Purdue 1990
1965 1 1 1 Joe Namath Jets Alabama 1985
1965 1 12 12 Joe Namath Cardinals Alabama 1985
1964 10 3 129 Roger Staubach Cowboys Navy 1985
1961 3 1 29 Fran Tarkenton Vikings Georgia 1986
1957 1 5 5 Len Dawson Steelers Purdue 1987
1957 4 6 43 Sonny Jurgensen Eagles Duke 1983
1956 17 7 200 Bart Starr Packers Alabama 1977
1955 9 5 102 Johnny Unitas Steelers Louisville 1979
1949 4 6 37 Norm Van Brocklin Rams Oregon 1971
1949 12 5 116 Jim Finks Steelers Tulsa 1995
1949 12 8 119 George Blanda Bears Kentucky 1981
1948 1 3 3 Bobby Layne Bears Texas 1967
1948 1 6 6 Y.A. Tittle Lions Louisiana State 1971
1944 1 4 4 Otto Graham Lions Northwestern 1965
1944 5 10 42 Bob Waterfield Rams UCLA 1965
1939 1 2 2 Sid Luckman Bears Columbia 1965
1937 1 6 6 Sammy Baugh Redskins Texas Christian 1963
1937 2 3 13 Clarence (Ace) Parker Dodgers Duke 1972

What makes it so sad is I've seen everyone of these guys play. One of the better QB's not in HOF was Dr. Frank Ryan from Rice and played for Browns.

[NATHANHALE]

Originally Posted by CowboysTexansFan

Great information, thanks.

I think Staubach should have an asterisk by his name, though, because while he was a 10th round pick, he was picked that low because had to serve 4 years in the U.S. Navy. If he hadn't gone to a military academy he would have undoubtedly been drafted in the 1st round.

...exactly, but look where Unitas was selected!!!...for me, the 'notion' you never know is alive and well...

[The Pencil Neck]

Originally Posted by NATHANHALE

...exactly, but look where Unitas was selected!!!...for me, the 'notion' you never know is alive and well...

And look who drafted him.

The Steelers RELEASED him before he ever played a game for them. He was playing semi-pro ball until the Colts picked him up.

[TwinSisters]

Originally Posted by old football fan

What makes it so sad is I've seen everyone of these guys play. One of the better QB's not in HOF was Dr. Frank Ryan from Rice and played for Browns.

yeah, NFL Films has a nice 30 minute film on him.

He gets no respect... last Brown to ever win a Championship. But he sits behind Kosar and Sipe in the QB logs. He's also Condi's favourite player.