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Old 11-16-2004   #61
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The team played a lot more conservatively last year. Davis also ran better. This season the running game is gone and we have gotten a little too pass happy. We need to run the ball more to shorten the game and help cover the deficiencies of our defense. The longer the defense is on the field, the more likely our opponents can exploit their plethora of weaknesses.
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In this day and age of free agency it doesn't take 5 years to aquire depth. If this was the 70's or 80's yes. Capers didn't do a great job in the expansion draft. He also signed some questionable free agents for big money that haven't produced like they should. The draft has been our only saving grace.
I still want someone to tell me what our measuring stick is for our 5 year plan. You can't just get to the end of 5 years and then decide whether or not its working without ever evaluating the plan along the way. That's bad business. The Texans played better last year with a lot more injuries. They don't have the same passion. The only good team we have beaten this year is Jacksonville. Last year we played alot of great teams to the wire with less talent on the field.
Casserly did great in the expansion draft. You can't name anyone worth much of anything from the Browns expansion draft. The only players on those lists were insane salary guys, old guys and bottom of the roster players. To find as many real players and create a core team with an expansion draft is something that isn't easy to do.

The Texans have signed solid players and they have singned a few guys that are not going to do much. Just like any other team, and yes, it takes several years to build a team from air. You cannot fill a team with a deep and talented roster in two years.
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I still want someone to tell me what our measuring stick is for our 5 year plan. You can't just get to the end of 5 years and then decide whether or not its working without ever evaluating the plan along the way. That's bad business. The Texans played better last year with a lot more injuries. They don't have the same passion. The only good team we have beaten this year is Jacksonville. Last year we played alot of great teams to the wire with less talent on the field.
First, I'm not going to comment on the thread topic. I feel it's been thoroughly debunked.

FWIW, Casserly is on record as saying that there is no 5 year plan. I think everyone has their own benchmark in determining the team's progress. Bob McNair's measurement is the one that counts.

Regarding the "passion" displayed by the team, I think a lot of it has to do with expectations. Nothing was expected from the injury riddled team of '03 except effort. And effort was enough to play some close games with some good teams. Now, the players, coaches, & fans expect more. And with those expectations comes a certain amount of pressure. That's just human nature. As the younger players mature and the overall talent level rises, the team will learn to play up to those expectations.

Losing to Denver & Indy on the road does not surprise me. They have better teams and they were better prepared to win. Those losses shouldn't keep the Texans from handling their business at home and picking up a couple of road wins. That was the toughest part of the schedule, now the team has the opportunity to learn from those games and apply those lessons to the rest of the season. The Texans are a better team than they've shown the past 2 weeks and I still think that finishing the season at a 5-2 clip would not be shocking.
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The Texans played better last year with a lot more injuries. They don't have the same passion. The only good team we have beaten this year is Jacksonville. Last year we played alot of great teams to the wire with less talent on the field.
I think it was a big accomplishment(s) for us to beat KC & Tennessee @ their
stadiums, but aside from that, I gotta agree our efforts & passion were more
intense last year. That's troubling, but we "let up" (I won't use the Q word),
well before the Denver & Indy games ended."
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As I said in the preseason - the problem is not the backers on this defense. It is the defensive line and the secondary. Where is Robier Smith?

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Old 11-18-2004   #66
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Here is an interesting fact I came across on packerchatters.com:

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It will be interesting to see how the Packers’ offense (4th in yards) attacks the Texans’ scheme. The strength of the Packers’ offensive line will be tested but they will have to show the ability to quickly adjust to the speed of the blitzing linebackers. The last time the Packers faced a 3-4 scheme was against the Atlanta Falcons in their only home playoff loss in team history back in 2002.
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Good little summary they have on that site. One disturbing part was that they said our defense was 32nd in the league in sacks.
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32nd in the league in sacks.

begs the question are sacks even necassary in a 3-4 scheme? is this just a underperforming 3-4 scheme? what scheme leads the league in sacks?
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32nd in the league in sacks.

begs the question are sacks even necassary in a 3-4 scheme? is this just a underperforming 3-4 scheme? what scheme leads the league in sacks?
I dunno who leads in sacks, but Baltimore, New England, and Pittsburgh all have twice as many sacks as us. BTW Oakland and San Diego also have more sacks than us. Of teams that run the 3-4 we are last in sacks.

Just looked it up and Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Philly all lead with 28 sacks. 2 of the three run 3-4.
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BTW Oakland and San Diego also have more sacks than us.
Steve Foley is having a hell of a year over in San Diego. I think he has around 5 sacks.
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wags, one might surmise then that for a 3-4 defense to be successful it is absolutely imperative to sack the QB on a consistant basis. This is not happening, hence the 3-4 is not working. one could argue the Texans don't have the tools, a playmaker short of making the scheme effective.

after reviewing all these posts for the past week since the Colts game the problem stems from the game planning & predictabilty of the coaching staff also on the shoulders of the personel & their reads in the 3-4 scheme. The opposition is doing a better job preparing offenses to exploit holes in the Texans defense. The defensive coaches must find a way to stay aggressive & in this weeks match-up focus on shutting Farve down, The Texans Must Sack Farve to be effective.

its going to have to start with the CB's more in isolation man to man coverage. At least one (Babin) if not two (Peek) need to be unleshed on Farve from the LB's. The Big three MUST engage 1 & 1/2 per. thus freeing Babin & Peek plus sometime bringing in Sharper & his speed to pursue Farve when he breaks containment.

obviously everyone in the Texans organiaztion needs to be passionate & efforting 110% a total team effort will be required to beat the Farve & the Pack. Until the offenese gets untracked the defense needs to show up this week and not allow Farve free movement in & out of the pocket it will be the job of the 3-4 scheme, its players and coaching staff.
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I just saw an interesting fact. The top three teams in pass protection are: Denver, Indianapolis, and Green Bay.

Oddly enough, those are our last three opponents. I think Brett Favre has only been sacked 5 times this year so far.
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wags, one might surmise then that for a 3-4 defense to be successful it is absolutely imperative to sack the QB on a consistant basis. This is not happening, hence the 3-4 is not working...
Isn't it just as "absolutely imperative" for a 43 defense to sack the QB in order to be successful? The Texan defense isn't working, but I haven't seen evidence presented that the failures are formation related.

There are varying reasons as to why the Pats, Ravens, and Steelers get more pressure on the QB than the Texans do. The Pats get a better push up front from their D-line. Their linemen have 8.5 sacks compared to 3.5 from Payne, Smith, & Walker. The Ravens take more chances with the blitz. The Baltimore secondary has 8.5 sacks this year, compared to 1 by Houston's Kenny Wright. The Steelers get more pressure from different places. Steelers' ILB's have 6 sacks between them. DE Aaron Smith has 6 sacks (a big number for a 34 D-lineman). CB Deshea Townsend has 4 sacks (unbelievable for a corner).

It's not like the Pats, Ravens, and Steelers don't have excellent OLB pass rushers (McGinest, Suggs, & Porter respectively). Their common thread is that none of these teams rely solely on their OLB's to get to QB. Like these teams have, the Texans must find other means to get pressure.
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here are the head to head match-ups, notice the Texans are defiecient to the Packer's in every category except punting-

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/headToH...9&statsId2=34&

that being said, we need Babin & Peek to sack Farve or a better bull rush from the Big 3 in the middle to be successful. We need our best covers doing exactly that blanketing the talented GB WR's not in some kind of zone that the Pakers can assimilate into swiss cheese.
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In order to have a successful defense using the 3-4 you have to be able to merge into the 4-3 when your personnel are not making the grade. The 3-4 is a high octane defense, it requires high octane players and coaches to manage it. If pone piece is missing in this defense it collapses faster tan any other.

It is very difficult to maintain the 3-4 for an entire season due to injuries. The 3-4 is the best defense in the league IMO, but a DC has to know when to use it and when to lose it. The 3-4 is best under perfect conditions, when the conditions are not, you have to go to the 4-3. Ok I wanted to get that off my chest before I started reading this thread.
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The 3-4 is a high octane defense, it requires high octane players and coaches to manage it. If pone piece is missing in this defense it collapses faster tan any other.
Would you mind elaborating as to why the 34 defense requires better players & coaches than the 43 defense? Why does it collapse faster than the 43 due to injuries? It may seem obvious to you, but it's not apparent to me.
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