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 10-07-2004 #1 Mistril48 All Pro     Join Date: May 2004 Location: Houston Posts: 548 Rep Power: 11 Vikings Terrific 12 v. Texan Terrific 12 Old Posting (new posting below) In a salary cap regime like the NFL, the value of a player is a function of his performance measured against his cap value. A non-expansion NFL team typically drafts 12 players (the “Terrific 12” if you will) in the first 3 rounds over a 4 year period. These 12 players are particularly valuable to a franchise in a salary cap regime, because they typically have much lower cap values than players signed through free agency. For example, Chester Pitts has a 2004 cap value of \$705,000, but Steve McKinney has a 2004 cap value of \$3,050,000. Typically, an impact player becomes a free agent after four accrued years and either leaves, or receives his first big free agency contract. Each year, a franchise typically loses 3 first day drafted players to free agency (unless they re-sign the players) and get three replacements through the draft, thereby maintaining their Terrific 12 (in some cases, of course, a player drafted to be a Terrific 12 player won’t work out and a team may end up with less than 12, or a second day drafted player may excel, like Domanick Davis, thereby creating more than 12). McKinney, Bradford, Wong, Smith and Wade are all examples of four year players who got big raises to come to the Texans for their 5th year. In the 2002 season, the Texans first year, they only had 5 Terrific 12 (1 first, 2 second and 2 third), while all the other teams had 12. Bummer. Unlike the Panthers and the Jaguars, the Texans weren’t given any extra first round picks. Hard to compete. The good news is the Texans have now caught up, thanks to expansion picks and Charlie Casserly’s astute trades. They now have 12 players who they drafted on the first day. The Texans now have a Terrific 12 like other NFL teams. Good. New Posting How about the Texans next opponent, the Vikings, How does their Terrific 12 compare with the Texans? . . YR . . Texans (only 3 yrs) . . . . . . YR . . . Vikings (4 yrs) F . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .’01 RB Michael Bennett I. . ’02 . QB David Carr . . . . . . . . . . .’02 OT Bryant McKinnie R . ’03 . WR Andre Johnson . . . . . . . .‘03 DL Kevin Williams S . ’04 . CB Dunta Robinson . . . . . . . ’04 DE Kenechi Udeze T . ’04 . LB Jason Babin S . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ’01 DT Willie Howard (released) E . ’02 . WR Jabar Gaffney C . ’02 . OL Chester Pitts . . . . . . . . . .’02 LB Raonall Smith O . ’03 . TE Benny Joppru . . . . . . . . . ‘03 LB E. J. Henderson N . ’04 . RB Tony Hollings . . . . . . . . . .‘04 LB Dontarrious Thomas D . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . '01 DB Eric Kelly (released) T . ’02 . OL Fred Weary . . . . . . . . . . ’02 DB Willie Offord H . ’02 . OL Charles Hill (released) I . ’03. . LB Antwan Peek . . . . . . . . . ’03 WR Nate Burleson R . ’03 . OL Seth Wand D . ’03 .QB Dave Ragone . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ’04 DL Darrion Scott I would argue that the Vikings illustrate how we have ‘arrived’ after just three years of drafts, more than some teams that have been compared in various postings. We drafted 13 first day players and they have drafted 12. We’ve generated 7 starters (Carr, Johnson, Gaffney, Pitts, Wand, Babin, Robinson) and they have generated 7 starters (I think – Bennett, Burleson, McKinnie, Williams, Udeze, Henderson, Thomas). . . . . . . Texans (only 3 yrs) . . . . . . . . . . Vikings (4 yrs) . . . . . . QB David Carr . . . . . . QB Dave Ragone . . . . . . RB Tony Hollings . . . . . . . . . . . RB Michael Bennett . . . . . .WR Andre Johnson . . . . . . . . . . WR Nate Burleson . . . . . .WR Jabar Gaffney . . . . . . TE Benny Joppru . . . . . . OL Chester Pitts . . . . . . . . . . . OT Bryant McKinnie . . . . . . OL Seth Wand . . . . . . OL Fred Weary . . . . . . DL Charles Hill (released) . . . . . . DL Kevin Williams . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DE Kenechi Udeze . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DL Darrion Scott . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DT Willie Howard (released) . . . . . . LB Jason Babin. . . . . . . . . . . . . .LB E. J. Henderson . . . . . . LB Antwan Peek . . . . . . . . . . . . LB Raonall Smith . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LB Dontarrious Thomas . . . . . .CB Dunta Robinson . . . . . . . . . . .DB Willie Offord . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . DB Eric Kelly (released) Would you trade our players, above, for their players, above? I think the comparison is particularly difficult, because we drafted primary for offense in our first two drafts and they drafted for defense. I’m looking forward to seeing their young defenders this weekend. Many posters have suggested we should draft D-linemen in the future. My feeling is that the Vikings have had more success drafting D-linemen than many of the teams in the last couple of years, but time will tell. Old Posting And the news gets better for the Texans. In 2005, the Texans should keep all of their Terrific 12 (none will have four accrued years) and add 4 new members through the 2005 draft (1 first, 1 second and 2 thirds), giving them a total of 16 Terrific 12. Great news!

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