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CaptainPatriot · 09-21-2004

Why don`t the Texans use Aaron Glenn or AJ as Safety Valve on Kickoffs and Punt Coverage? That would end TD`s happening on Special Teams

281 · 09-21-2004

Why don't the Vikes put Randy Moss on special teams? I see where you are coming from... but the last thing we need right now is a Sehorn pulled on us.

281 · 09-21-2004

Starling was never injured... In fact, we cut him today.

CaptainPatriot · 09-22-2004

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Originally Posted by Texan281

Why don't the Vikes put Randy Moss on special teams? I see where you are coming from... but the last thing we need right now is a Sehorn pulled on us.

True but Sehorn was returning a kickoff. Your only as good as your Special Teams are. Games are won and lost by special teams when 2 good teams are playing. I rather have AJ or AGlenn running down a return man than Brown (we
saw what happen) even though it was the biggest hit by a Texan this yr
can`t afford to lose Brown!
Having AJ or Aglenn just sitting at the 50 seeing if a returner breaks away. Not to be in the middle breaking up the Wedge. I think Randy has been in a couple of Special Team plays. You should have your best athletes on Special Teams even if they are starters.

CaptainPatriot · 09-22-2004

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Originally Posted by Texan281

Starling was never injured... In fact, we cut him today.

Wow NFL is TUFF! Who did they pick up since they let him go?

CaptainPatriot · 09-22-2004

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Originally Posted by 3rd Coast Playa

most likely due to a further risk of injury, really we would be **** out of luck if we got our startin cb injured.our best cb.

if kendrick s. wasnt injured and was out there he might have had a chance to catch drummond

NFL is a risk! Can't be thinking of injuries they are going to happen if you’re cautious or not. Nature of the Game

**infantrycak** · 09-22-2004

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Originally Posted by CaptainPatriot

Wow NFL is TUFF! Who did they pick up since they let him go?

Signed Matt Murphy off the practice squad. I would hope they try to sign Starling to the practice squad.

jacquescas · 09-22-2004

No putting AJ or Glenn on special teams is stupid.

They get paid way too much to be put at the position where injury is the most likely.

It is much easier to find speedy non skilled players to help on special teams.

CaptainPatriot · 09-24-2004

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Originally Posted by jacquescas

No putting AJ or Glenn on special teams is stupid.

They get paid way too much to be put at the position where injury is the most likely.

It is much easier to find speedy non skilled players to help on special teams.

Think about it. It wasn't STUPID when Deion Sanders was on special Teams.
Don't know how far back you can go but Mike Haynes for the Patriots in the late 70's ran back Punts as an All Pro CB!

They were making alot of money for their era too! When 2 evenly matched teams play it will come down 2 Special Teams. STUPID is playing your 3rd string DB instead of your 1st string DB. See who has a better chance of winning the game!

TexanExile · 09-24-2004

So, did the Giants feel smart when they lost Jason Sehorn for the season several years ago for trying him on special teams?

Putting star players back there is a serious risk, but in RARE cases it might be worth taking. Deion's upside was a rarity back there on kicks. There's nobody on the Texans' roster with that kind of upside, and therefore nobody worth the risk.

JDizzle · 09-24-2004

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Originally Posted by jacquescas

No putting AJ or Glenn on special teams is stupid.

They get paid way too much to be put at the position where injury is the most likely.

It is much easier to find speedy non skilled players to help on special teams.

Capers has put Glenn on KR duty before. Also, isn't Bethel Johnson the 4th WR for the Pats? Even if Johnson (Bethel) was your #1 guy, you gotta have that guy returning kicks, his speed is sick and he's got good field vision. With a position like KR / PR, I have always felt you put your best guy on the field, even if he happens to be an every down player, unless the player is nearing the end of his career, such as Glenn.

TexansTrueFan · 09-24-2004

Ok so J.J didnt have a good game last sunday but i still think he'll do just fine for us this season !!! No need to risk none of our Start players when J.J is pretty good !

SBTexans08 · 09-24-2004

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Originally Posted by TexansTrueFan

Ok so J.J didnt have a good game last sunday but i still think he'll do just fine for us this season !!! No need to risk none of our Start players when J.J is pretty good !

They mean to prevent a TD occuring.....not on kick returns.

CaptainPatriot · 09-24-2004

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Originally Posted by JackDizzle

Capers has put Glenn on KR duty before. Also, isn't Bethel Johnson the 4th WR for the Pats? Even if Johnson (Bethel) was your #1 guy, you gotta have that guy returning kicks, his speed is sick and he's got good field vision. With a position like KR / PR, I have always felt you put your best guy on the field, even if he happens to be an every down player, unless the player is nearing the end of his career, such as Glenn.

Troy Brown use to be #1 Receiver and returned punts (Still Does). I think he is in his 12th yr! Texans should at least use Aaron for kickoff coverage as a safety valve. He would be great for pursuit angles. Bethel Johnson also is Safety valve on kickoffs for PATS

wesleysh21 · 09-24-2004

Just because someone is a good player at their position doesn't mean they'll be good on special teams coverage and vice versa. Eddie Drummond returned a kickoff for a touchdown, but don't let the #18 fool ya, he's one of the leagues best return men. He's also had several opportunities to change his number, but has stuck with that one for whatever reason.

If you want good special teams coverage guys, go get Jimmy Wyrick, Jeff Gooch or Rod Babers...they'll come cheap. These are all guys who have excelled at it. But don't stick a starter in there and risk injury, when he probably won't be as good at it anyways.

And just speaking on the concept of using starters, I think Dunta Robinson would be a better coverage guy than Aaron Glenn anyways. Of course you'd never know until you saw them in action, but Dunta is faster and is a good sound tackler. He's also got a little more size it appears, thus making him a little harder to block and move out of position. I'm assumming AJ stands for Andre Johnson, and unless it was the last play of the Super Bowl I'd go with 10 guys on my coverage team before putting him in to cover a kick...but maybe that's just me.

09-21-2004	#2
281 Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,459 Rep Power: 1094	Why don't the Vikes put Randy Moss on special teams? I see where you are coming from... but the last thing we need right now is a Sehorn pulled on us. __________________ "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -Ben Franklin

09-21-2004	#3
281 Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,459 Rep Power: 1094	Starling was never injured... In fact, we cut him today. __________________ "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." -Ben Franklin

09-24-2004	#15
wesleysh21 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Re: Just because someone is a good player at their position doesn't mean they'll be good on special teams coverage and vice versa. Eddie Drummond returned a kickoff for a touchdown, but don't let the #18 fool ya, he's one of the leagues best return men. He's also had several opportunities to change his number, but has stuck with that one for whatever reason. If you want good special teams coverage guys, go get Jimmy Wyrick, Jeff Gooch or Rod Babers...they'll come cheap. These are all guys who have excelled at it. But don't stick a starter in there and risk injury, when he probably won't be as good at it anyways. And just speaking on the concept of using starters, I think Dunta Robinson would be a better coverage guy than Aaron Glenn anyways. Of course you'd never know until you saw them in action, but Dunta is faster and is a good sound tackler. He's also got a little more size it appears, thus making him a little harder to block and move out of position. I'm assumming AJ stands for Andre Johnson, and unless it was the last play of the Super Bowl I'd go with 10 guys on my coverage team before putting him in to cover a kick...but maybe that's just me.

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09-21-2004	#1
CaptainPatriot Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Age: 54 Posts: 307 Rep Power: 0	Kickoffs and Punt Coverage.... Why don`t the Texans use Aaron Glenn or AJ as Safety Valve on Kickoffs and Punt Coverage? That would end TD`s happening on Special Teams __________________ PATS are Reloading! ;-)

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jacquescas Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 1,323 Rep Power: 11	No putting AJ or Glenn on special teams is stupid. They get paid way too much to be put at the position where injury is the most likely. It is much easier to find speedy non skilled players to help on special teams.

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TexanExile Too Far Away Join Date: May 2004 Location: Singapore Age: 41 Posts: 1,568 Rep Power: 1757	So, did the Giants feel smart when they lost Jason Sehorn for the season several years ago for trying him on special teams? Putting star players back there is a serious risk, but in RARE cases it might be worth taking. Deion's upside was a rarity back there on kicks. There's nobody on the Texans' roster with that kind of upside, and therefore nobody worth the risk.

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TexansTrueFan Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Huntsville Tx Age: 28 Posts: 2,600 Rep Power: 11	Ok so J.J didnt have a good game last sunday but i still think he'll do just fine for us this season !!! No need to risk none of our Start players when J.J is pretty good !

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