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Old 09-22-2004   #1
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I notice some horrendous slips by the refs in sundays texans game.... I really don't think it would hae led to a won but both calls could have stopped or created momentum favoring the Texans.

1... I believe it was the first uqarter or earily second when I believe it was Jones was rushing to the near side (closest to cam) when the edge of is foot was on the "chaulk" placing him out of bounds but the zebras missed it and let tear for another 10+ yards placing detriot inside the 10 for the go ahead TD. I tivo-ed it and caught the slip.

2... Last quarter when Carr was looking for a miracle comeback he completed a pass to andre johnson who made an AMAZING grab in double coverage near the deep in Lion's territory. The two defenders made contact pushing his second foot out of bounds.... thus making it a catch. The refs ruled no contact forced him out and again after many tivo reviews, a horrid call.


In the Titans/Colts game the refs fumbled a similar call late in the 4th and both TV annoucers were at a loss for words. Eddie berlin made an amazing acrobatic catch in double coverage at the goal line, only to have it rebuked after further review because "he didn't apear to have control of the ball." The ball never left his chest and 90% of the time he hand BOTH hands clutching it to his chest!

I believe in the case of the Texans both call would have been corrected in replay challenge BUT, you cannot challenge whether a player in inbound/outbound with current rules. I ask this... whats the point of IR if you cannot challenge a in/out bounds call?

Sorry for the long post I just had to vent. The Texans should have won sunday and I agree with other perhaps a coaching change is apparent. I hate the offensive coordinater, it has seemed in the past and sunday that he is just NOT aggressive enough. Were a mostly young team... we will make mistakes, but come on go out there and playem hard take some chances never be complacent with a 3 point lead with 2 mins left till halftime. It seems like more than once I have seen the Texans die in the 2nd quarter with 2mins of less left... ahead or behind, good or bad field position.

Thanks for the therepy,

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I believe you can challenge whether or not a player is or isn't inbounds. The problem with the Andre catch was that inside of the 2 min warning, the coaches are no longer allowed to challenge a play. All play challenges inside the 2 min warning come from "up stairs". I quess they didn't think it was close enough to merit a review. I disagree.
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The play with AJ was a force out ruling, and there is another post about this particular catch. A force out is a judgement call by the referees, and it cannot be challenged by the coach or the booth. It isn't reviewable. It's much like how a penalty cannot be reviewed. Although I'm not sure about the 12th man penalty. I can't speak about the play in the Titans game, but if it was simply a matter of ruling whether he was in bound or not then it is reviewable. AJ got one foot in bounds, and was forced out of bound by the defender. It's up to the referee to determine if he would have been able to get both feet in if the defender hadn't pushed him out. The ref decided that he wouldn't have been able to, but he clearly blew the call.
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Fantastic catch, horrid call.
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Radiodude...I take it that was you last night calling into 610 radio.

Also don't forget the: "Before the pass was thrown, roughing the passer #96" call!
Gary was a little ticked off on that one.
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It was an OUTSTANDING catch, but did you see it on Sportscenter or NFL Primetime? Nope, got to see plenty of the Roy Williams catch. Everyone is so in love with him, hes going to be a great reciever I have no doubt about that, but dont forget about the big play guy we have over here also. I guess when we start winning games then everyone else can see what we can do.
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It's not unusual for NFL Primetime or SportsCenter or whatever sports highlight show you watch to show mostly highlights from the winning team. Until we win then we don't deserve to make the highlights.
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Nope that wasnt me on 610, but I take it by your response I am not alone with my thoughts on that amazing catch.
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I notice some horrendous slips by the refs in sundays texans game.... I really don't think it would hae led to a won but both calls could have stopped or created momentum favoring the Texans.

1... I believe it was the first uqarter or earily second when I believe it was Jones was rushing to the near side (closest to cam) when the edge of is foot was on the "chaulk" placing him out of bounds but the zebras missed it and let tear for another 10+ yards placing detriot inside the 10 for the go ahead TD. I tivo-ed it and caught the slip.

2... Last quarter when Carr was looking for a miracle comeback he completed a pass to andre johnson who made an AMAZING grab in double coverage near the deep in Lion's territory. The two defenders made contact pushing his second foot out of bounds.... thus making it a catch. The refs ruled no contact forced him out and again after many tivo reviews, a horrid call.


In the Titans/Colts game the refs fumbled a similar call late in the 4th and both TV annoucers were at a loss for words. Eddie berlin made an amazing acrobatic catch in double coverage at the goal line, only to have it rebuked after further review because "he didn't apear to have control of the ball." The ball never left his chest and 90% of the time he hand BOTH hands clutching it to his chest!

I believe in the case of the Texans both call would have been corrected in replay challenge BUT, you cannot challenge whether a player in inbound/outbound with current rules. I ask this... whats the point of IR if you cannot challenge a in/out bounds call?

Sorry for the long post I just had to vent. The Texans should have won sunday and I agree with other perhaps a coaching change is apparent. I hate the offensive coordinater, it has seemed in the past and sunday that he is just NOT aggressive enough. Were a mostly young team... we will make mistakes, but come on go out there and playem hard take some chances never be complacent with a 3 point lead with 2 mins left till halftime. It seems like more than once I have seen the Texans die in the 2nd quarter with 2mins of less left... ahead or behind, good or bad field position.

Thanks for the therepy,

will
It's just my opinion but I really think we are barking up the wrong tree when we look at bad calls being the reason for us losing. Sure, you can get a bad call and lose a game because of it but let's keep something in mind. All 32 NFL teams have bad calls go against them. Prime example was the game on MNF this week....Vikings vs Eagles. WR Terrell Owens was giving a TD when the replay (which was not shown until after the extra point was kicked) clearly showed that T.O. never had control of the football until he came to a rolling stop out of bounds in the corner of the endzone. Al Michaels was beside himself because it was such a poor call but the TD stood. The bottom line is this. Winning teams find a way of getting past the bad calls.....and losing teams use then to explain why they are losing! Our beloved Texans need to become a better team....period!
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