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Old 09-19-2004   #1
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Exclamation They just need to let Carr throw like he did at Fresno!

Did you notice the difference when we got behind and they started to let Carr throw the ball down field. We made huge chunks of yards and started to score! It reminded me of when Carr was at Fresno St. They let him make the calls and throw the ball down field when he wanted.

Look at the first half when they had Carr throwing outs, slants, and sideline routs. What did we get. NOTHING.

Let Carr do what you got him for. Palmer needs to let him SLING IT!!!
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Ya we know, only problem is there isnt a thing we (fans) can do about it. When year 5 comes and goes and we see no improvement then maybe we can see some changes.
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well not too mention the Lions where playing prevent defense at that point of the game so it makes it easier to pick up those chunks but never the less i do agree with you we need to air it more
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seems like the coaches only trust carr to throw 5 yard hits to dd. anyone else get peeved seeing carr smile when he threw that lateral to aj too low? its like hes doesnt get that frustrated with himself. even in his post game interviews u can tell hes down but he doesnt look hurt by the loss. maybe i just want to see a little more anger out of him. gary walker showed some frustration after the chargers game after he said there should be no excuses and called out the team to do something about it.
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Did you notice the difference when we got behind and they started to let Carr throw the ball down field. We made huge chunks of yards and started to score! It reminded me of when Carr was at Fresno St. They let him make the calls and throw the ball down field when he wanted.

Look at the first half when they had Carr throwing outs, slants, and sideline routs. What did we get. NOTHING.

Let Carr do what you got him for. Palmer needs to let him SLING IT!!!
The reason he was able to throw was the defensive alignment. Carr actually had time to throw since most of the D was in coverage. I agree they could have thrown more on 1st down but the Texans offense if putting up good numbers at least. The rash of turnovers have everybody wondering "what if". I really think again the offense looked balanced but penalties, mistakes and fumbles are KILLING US!!! It is the defense that really disappoints me. They give up WAY to many 3rd and long plays.
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Jwwillis you are wrong. I think Capers not Palmer is the friggin problem. Capers is handcuffing this offense. His idea of a passing game is to just throw it to DD. While that is one facet of a good passing offense he ignores the guys like AJ and Bradford who can stretch the field and burn the defense.

With the PI calls being called so close these days, it is inexcusable to not throw the ball down the friggin field. If the WR doesn't catch it we can maybe get a PI call. Capers needs to hit the road. Charlie Weis would be great here.
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We also have a problem in the middle of the O-line. For two weeks in a row, they have blasted through the middle to sack David. Not around the end, but right up the middle. We are SOFT in the interior of the O-line in terms of pass blocking.
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Did you notice the difference when we got behind and they started to let Carr throw the ball down field. We made huge chunks of yards and started to score! It reminded me of when Carr was at Fresno St. They let him make the calls and throw the ball down field when he wanted.

Look at the first half when they had Carr throwing outs, slants, and sideline routs. What did we get. NOTHING.

Let Carr do what you got him for. Palmer needs to let him SLING IT!!!
I disagree completely. He's a good QB, but he's yet to prove that he can take over a game. In fact, he hasn't had a single game where he did take over a game. I'm not downing Carr at all, but he can't win by himself. He's going to need help on the O-line, the running game, and good field position. Did you see him in the 1st qtr? He didn't look good at all a gave up an interception. He could have given up 2 or 3 in the first half!

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good QB and am very happy with him as our franchise QB. Couldn't ask for a better one. But there's no way he's going to just take over a game like that. They're only about 3-4 QBs in the whole NFL who can. And about running the football in the 4th, we had a bunch of 3rd and short situations. I have no problems letting DD go pick us up a fresh set of downs to work with. Carr has yet to look good enough to warrent a pass every down, especiall when you have DD in the backfield.

I don't get people complaining about our offense. We have looked very good these past 2 games when we don't cough up the ball! It's our defense that has not been playing up to expectations.
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...and I thought we had speed on the outside which would open the field for everything else.
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Jwwillis you are wrong. I think Capers not Palmer is the friggin problem. Capers is handcuffing this offense. His idea of a passing game is to just throw it to DD. While that is one facet of a good passing offense he ignores the guys like AJ and Bradford who can stretch the field and burn the defense.

With the PI calls being called so close these days, it is inexcusable to not throw the ball down the friggin field. If the WR doesn't catch it we can maybe get a PI call. Capers needs to hit the road. Charlie Weis would be great here.
Everybody knows you win games by establishing the run and lose with mistakes and turnovers. 400 plus yrs in total offense and the fix is fire the head coach../laf. Our top receiver for 2yrs was a freakin TE never saw anybody complaining about that?? Im sure McNair is more reasonable, other wise look out Oilerville here we come. Oh and BTW Carr throws to DD not Capers/Palmer. How many plays are you positive that DD was the ONLY reciever that Carr could throw to cause the coaches said so. As i recall Bryant/Cash was all in our WR's arses on most of the medium to long passplays till they went into the prevent later.
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If we had the protection from the O-line...hence giving Carr more time to send shots down-field. We will never know what plays were jammed due to pass protection. Who knows...maybe there was a play deep to Bradford, but due to the fact that Carr had poor pass protection on that play...it never developed.
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Has anybody ever given thought that the reason they don't throw downfield is Carr's fault?

When your RB has 11 catches in a game with not many screen passes called, that's on the QB to make the play downfield. I highly doubt every WR on the field are running 8 yard hitches as Carr continues to dump off to DD. Now either the WRs aren't the getting the needed separation or Carr can't find them when they do.

You can't put everything at the feet of the OC/HC. I've been following a conservative offense in Austin for a number of years. A conservative offense is WR screens, slants, 5 yard outs. The Texans do not run a conservtive offense. They just need the players to execute better.
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Has anybody ever given thought that the reason they don't throw downfield is Carr's fault?

When your RB has 11 catches in a game with not many screen passes called, that's on the QB to make the play downfield. I highly doubt every WR on the field are running 8 yard hitches as Carr continues to dump off to DD. Now either the WRs aren't the getting the needed separation or Carr can't find them when they do.

You can't put everything at the feet of the OC/HC. I've been following a conservative offense in Austin for a number of years. A conservative offense is WR screens, slants, 5 yard outs. The Texans do not run a conservtive offense. They just need the players to execute better.
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Has anybody ever given thought that the reason they don't throw downfield is Carr's fault?

When your RB has 11 catches in a game with not many screen passes called, that's on the QB to make the play downfield. I highly doubt every WR on the field are running 8 yard hitches as Carr continues to dump off to DD. Now either the WRs aren't the getting the needed separation or Carr can't find them when they do.

You can't put everything at the feet of the OC/HC. I've been following a conservative offense in Austin for a number of years. A conservative offense is WR screens, slants, 5 yard outs. The Texans do not run a conservtive offense. They just need the players to execute better.
Agree! However you have to throw in the O-Line as part of the reason too. Carr all too often has no time to throw down field. He has become the master of the dump off, and If he ever DOES get time he gets happy feet. Can't say I blame him but he will have to break that habbit.
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I think the offensive line, while although not as weak as the first couple of years, is still not average, with Wade being the only player at this point worth keeping. Pitts could develop into a great LG, because the 2 years at LT will make playing guard seem like a cake walk.

Wand could turn into something good, but that is an if, and its not gonna be until the END of this season at the most conservative estimates, and thats still being generous.

McKinney and Weigart are probably more overated by us locals than we'd really like to give credit, they are starters, but will never anchor a line or be considered a strength.

We need another top notch offensive and defensive lineman before we can really begin to compete.
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I agree with the O-Line comments...they're a part of the "players executing better". But again, you can't blame their performance on a "conservative offense".
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