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rhc564 · 09-19-2004

Question. With time running out in the 4th qtr and down by 2 touchdowns,
how many NFL teams would be running the ball up the middle? Also, it
was nice to see the Lions 'playing to win' by scoring that last TD-- what
do you think the Texans would have done in that situation? And, finally,
was Williams catching TDs while double covered ( like Moss, TO, etc.)?
...thought Texans don't do it because it is a no-no (NOT)!

jhawktx · 09-19-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhc564

Question. With time running out in the 4th qtr and down by 2 touchdowns,
how many NFL teams would be running the ball up the middle? Also, it
was nice to see the Lions 'playing to win' by scoring that last TD-- what
do you think the Texans would have done in that situation? And, finally,
was Williams catching TDs while double covered ( like Moss, TO, etc.)?
...thought Texans don't do it because it is a no-no (NOT)!

Good point...I thought we were trying to run the clock out for some reason. Also, why go for a 2 point conversion with so much time left?

wags · 09-19-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhc564

Question. With time running out in the 4th qtr and down by 2 touchdowns,
how many NFL teams would be running the ball up the middle?

The Panthers did it the other night on MNF from their 15 yard line no less!!

CaliforniaTexan · 09-19-2004

It's gonna be a long season, isn't it?

BornOrange · 09-19-2004

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Originally Posted by RTP2110

Maybe they are, but throwing out stats from ONE GAME that was played LAST YEAR is no way to prove it.

Chicago beat Green Bay today, not last year.

HoustonLionsFan · 09-19-2004

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Originally Posted by BornOrange

Chicago beat Green Bay today, not last year.

Beat me to it

RTP2110 · 09-19-2004

I mis-read the original post.

Grid · 09-19-2004

No the lions arent better than I thought they were.. cause I thought they were about on par with us.. with the Lions having the POTENTIAL to be the better offensive.. and us having the veteran defense.

Unfortunatly yall have something we dont.. I dont know if its coaching, or heart, or what.. but yall looked like we looked the last two seasons.

The good news is we no longer look like an expansion team! the bad news is that instead of coming into the league looking like the Patriots, we came into it looking like the Cardinals. We look like a team used to losing :P.

HoustonLionsFan · 09-19-2004

Well, I was trying to put it into perspective for you to make you feel better, but go ahead and think the Lions and Texans are even, even though the final tally wasn't even within 1 score. My point was that the Lions are better than you are giving them credit for and that means the Texans lost to a solid (not great by any means) team, thus, the Texans aren't as bad as you are thinking they are.

supertankman · 09-19-2004

Well, if we win next week, we will be 1-2, the same record we had last year at 3 weeks. We did win our first game against Miami and were underdogs. There are alot of games left to be played. The lions play well at home as we usually do. Now its off to Kansas!

STEEL BLUE TEXANS · 09-19-2004

we lack playmakers on defense and our offense cant protect the rock. that pretty much sums it all up.

SteelBlueToro · 09-19-2004

The team is fundamentally flawed on both sides of the line.

rdbrem · 09-19-2004

What is wrong with us?

As everybody knows, Davis had 36 touches. AJ had 4. Bradford had 3.

A lot of things were wrong, but the play selection was poor, and we didn't pick on their secondary, and Davis coughed the ball up. Not rocket science (does 'Houston, we have a problem' ring a bell?)

I'm just afraid that with mistakes like that, plus the penalties, the guys are going to start having head problems. 'I'm myself for this team, he's getting playing time', etc. Afraid they're going to start playing the blame game (like the guys on this board) rather than playing ball.

If DD holds onto the ball today, it's a totally different game. If Carr doesn't throw the INT. If we stop Drummond on a kickoff return. If we don't commit penalties everytime something good happens.

If we perform the basics.

dalemurphy · 09-20-2004

I have consistantly defended the offensive playcalling for 2 years and one game. However, I'm done doing that! The Lions had 8 men in the box, mediocre corners who were biting on first moves and the Texans refused to take a shot downfield until the third quarter. Furthermore, they refused to throw at all until third down. It was a disgusting display. I couldn't tell if Carr was off in the first half or if the offensive was just so freakin' predictable that the Lions knew exactly where to be. EVERY SINGLE TIME the Texans went downfield with the ball, they had a man open- most of the passes were completed (Gaffney for 25, Bradford TD, AJ TD, and the AJ catch at the end of the game when the referee robbed him).

Whether Palmer or Capers is responsible for this ultra conservative and extremely predictable playcalling, it needs to be corrected next week.

TexanAggie · 09-20-2004

It is killing me that we cannot stop a team with 3rd & 14 , They are eating us up. Where is our coverage..

What is up with Marcus Coleman you move to SS and you cant tackle anymore? I saw several plays the he tried to tackle like Matt Stevens, HEY LETS ask Matt how his tackling worked for him, oh wait no longer here...

I understand that Capers wants to establish the run but come one when it is 2 and 13 why not play action and dump it off to a te or those 3 stud WR's we have oh wait my mistake 4 wr's.... Everytime we ran DD was running for his life with DT's in the back field, but i guess thats not too hard when they know 1 and 2nd down it will be a run... ....

It is amazing when we had to pass we did and moved it down the field.. Their was too much pressure put on DD to have a running game. I think Capers needs to look for another O coordinator, Palmer is soft and weak without a killer instact. It is obvious with the play calling. I jsut dont understand we have 4 really good Wr's why not make them work and I dont want the Texans to wear out DD like the Oilers did with Earl....

I did see some really good play. Babin seemed to be everywhere and that is super, I didnt see the lions test our rookie CB much either.

I know one thing the TEXANS better start winning or I will have to buy season tickets again next yr..........

geofb · 09-20-2004

A possible silver lining in all this is now, finally, the coaching staff will get it through their thick heads they need to throw downfield more. With Davis fumbling so much, Dom is sure to want to react in some way. If he reacts by getting Davis less touches and throwing the ball downfield more, that will be great and is what we should have been doing anyway.

09-19-2004	#33
rdbrem Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 68 Rep Power: 10	What is wrong with us? As everybody knows, Davis had 36 touches. AJ had 4. Bradford had 3. A lot of things were wrong, but the play selection was poor, and we didn't pick on their secondary, and Davis coughed the ball up. Not rocket science (does 'Houston, we have a problem' ring a bell?) I'm just afraid that with mistakes like that, plus the penalties, the guys are going to start having head problems. 'I'm myself for this team, he's getting playing time', etc. Afraid they're going to start playing the blame game (like the guys on this board) rather than playing ball. If DD holds onto the ball today, it's a totally different game. If Carr doesn't throw the INT. If we stop Drummond on a kickoff return. If we don't commit penalties everytime something good happens. If we perform the basics. __________________ Can't afford a signature

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09-19-2004	#21
rhc564 Veteran Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 173 Rep Power: 9	Question. With time running out in the 4th qtr and down by 2 touchdowns, how many NFL teams would be running the ball up the middle? Also, it was nice to see the Lions 'playing to win' by scoring that last TD-- what do you think the Texans would have done in that situation? And, finally, was Williams catching TDs while double covered ( like Moss, TO, etc.)? ...thought Texans don't do it because it is a no-no (NOT)!

09-19-2004	#24
CaliforniaTexan Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 32 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	It's gonna be a long season, isn't it?

09-19-2004	#27
RTP2110 Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Shore Age: 33 Posts: 2,782 Rep Power: 1845	I mis-read the original post.

09-19-2004	#28
Grid Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,299 Rep Power: 2271	No the lions arent better than I thought they were.. cause I thought they were about on par with us.. with the Lions having the POTENTIAL to be the better offensive.. and us having the veteran defense. Unfortunatly yall have something we dont.. I dont know if its coaching, or heart, or what.. but yall looked like we looked the last two seasons. The good news is we no longer look like an expansion team! the bad news is that instead of coming into the league looking like the Patriots, we came into it looking like the Cardinals. We look like a team used to losing :P.

09-19-2004	#29
HoustonLionsFan Veteran Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: H-town Posts: 142 Rep Power: 9	Well, I was trying to put it into perspective for you to make you feel better, but go ahead and think the Lions and Texans are even, even though the final tally wasn't even within 1 score. My point was that the Lions are better than you are giving them credit for and that means the Texans lost to a solid (not great by any means) team, thus, the Texans aren't as bad as you are thinking they are.

09-19-2004	#30
supertankman Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 97 Rep Power: 9	Well, if we win next week, we will be 1-2, the same record we had last year at 3 weeks. We did win our first game against Miami and were underdogs. There are alot of games left to be played. The lions play well at home as we usually do. Now its off to Kansas!

09-19-2004	#31
STEEL BLUE TEXANS Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sugar Land, Texas Age: 30 Posts: 5,327 Rep Power: 1832	we lack playmakers on defense and our offense cant protect the rock. that pretty much sums it all up.

09-19-2004	#32
SteelBlueToro Veteran Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 116 Rep Power: 10	The team is fundamentally flawed on both sides of the line.

09-20-2004	#34
dalemurphy Hall of Fame Join Date: May 2004 Location: Austin Section: Bullpen/ 636 Age: 39 Posts: 5,165 Rep Power: 10996	I have consistantly defended the offensive playcalling for 2 years and one game. However, I'm done doing that! The Lions had 8 men in the box, mediocre corners who were biting on first moves and the Texans refused to take a shot downfield until the third quarter. Furthermore, they refused to throw at all until third down. It was a disgusting display. I couldn't tell if Carr was off in the first half or if the offensive was just so freakin' predictable that the Lions knew exactly where to be. EVERY SINGLE TIME the Texans went downfield with the ball, they had a man open- most of the passes were completed (Gaffney for 25, Bradford TD, AJ TD, and the AJ catch at the end of the game when the referee robbed him). Whether Palmer or Capers is responsible for this ultra conservative and extremely predictable playcalling, it needs to be corrected next week.

09-20-2004	#35
TexanAggie Rookie Join Date: Aug 2004 Age: 41 Posts: 88 Rep Power: 9	It is killing me that we cannot stop a team with 3rd & 14 , They are eating us up. Where is our coverage.. What is up with Marcus Coleman you move to SS and you cant tackle anymore? I saw several plays the he tried to tackle like Matt Stevens, HEY LETS ask Matt how his tackling worked for him, oh wait no longer here... I understand that Capers wants to establish the run but come one when it is 2 and 13 why not play action and dump it off to a te or those 3 stud WR's we have oh wait my mistake 4 wr's.... Everytime we ran DD was running for his life with DT's in the back field, but i guess thats not too hard when they know 1 and 2nd down it will be a run... .... It is amazing when we had to pass we did and moved it down the field.. Their was too much pressure put on DD to have a running game. I think Capers needs to look for another O coordinator, Palmer is soft and weak without a killer instact. It is obvious with the play calling. I jsut dont understand we have 4 really good Wr's why not make them work and I dont want the Texans to wear out DD like the Oilers did with Earl.... I did see some really good play. Babin seemed to be everywhere and that is super, I didnt see the lions test our rookie CB much either. I know one thing the TEXANS better start winning or I will have to buy season tickets again next yr..........

09-20-2004	#36
geofb Veteran Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 130 Rep Power: 10	A possible silver lining in all this is now, finally, the coaching staff will get it through their thick heads they need to throw downfield more. With Davis fumbling so much, Dom is sure to want to react in some way. If he reacts by getting Davis less touches and throwing the ball downfield more, that will be great and is what we should have been doing anyway.

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