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Old 08-12-2014   #21
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At this time last year Bridgewater was everyones consensus #1 QB prospect and overall pick, alot can change between now and April. We may still have a chance to draft Superman, we'll see.
touche'. Right now Mariota, Winston if he matures and Bryce intrigue me. As one of the first to bring Savage to this MB, I hope he is what I think he is and we can take QB off our priority list. TBH I am looking at WRs at both first and second round as two seasons from now AJ will prob be gone unless he is really cranking the stats.
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Worth the wait: Bryce Petty's unlikely journey to becoming Baylor's star

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I'll take a wait and see approach. Has anyone saw much in the way of passing skills from the QB's from this system translated to the pros yet? They all have had an issue dealing with pressure and/or pass progressions or reading coverage. The system they utilize in college has been stated to be about simple/quick reads. Nothing for truely developing a quarterback for the next level. We have seen the issues in RG3, Keenum and Manziel to this point.

Can it be coached? Maybe so but it isn't an easy task after years of having one way drilled into you to leap to the professional level and find out that way doesn't work so well no longer. No one from this system has shown much consistency yet in those intangibles for a QB and that should be a question yet nothing you can do about it before a draft but roll the dice and see what happens.
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I'll take a wait and see approach. Has anyone saw much in the way of passing skills from the QB's from this system translated to the pros yet? They all have had an issue dealing with pressure and/or pass progressions or reading coverage. The system they utilize in college has been stated to be about simple/quick reads. Nothing for truely developing a quarterback for the next level. We have seen the issues in RG3, Keenum and Manziel to this point.

Can it be coached? Maybe so but it isn't an easy task after years of having one way drilled into you to leap to the professional level and find out that way doesn't work so well no longer. No one from this system has shown much consistency yet in those intangibles for a QB and that should be a question yet nothing you can do about it before a draft but roll the dice and see what happens.
RGIII did take the Redskins from worst to first and Chip Kelly did the same last year with the Eagles. Both are perspective division favorites going in to this season. Colin Kapernick has been to consecutive NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl. And Russell Wilson is the QB of the reigning Super Bowl Champions. I think you can also add Cam Newton to the list. If anything it appears the NFL is moving in a direction of the more athletic QB. Of course having a QB like Luck or Bortles gives a team the best of both worlds.
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At this time last year Bridgewater was everyones consensus #1 QB prospect and overall pick, alot can change between now and April. We may still have a chance to draft Superman, we'll see.
The difference between August & April is that in August, nobody who matters is watching college football... as far as the draft goes. They're getting their teams ready, combing the waiver wires, & doing everything they can to make their team better for September.

These people will start looking in April at this year's crop of players & the pundits & college football fan opinions will start to slide towards the NFL.

Like Bridgewater, Petty lacks ideal size. Whether you want to admit it or not, NFL people factor that in. Petty is thicker than Bridgewater, so I don't think there will be the concern about whether or not he'll be able to take the beating, it'll be more about finding passing lanes. His release point may help with that.

Petty is not playing at a "major" program, but he is playing in a major conference.

Like Bridgewater at Louisville, expectations are high for the Baylor Bears, if Petty can keep them in the top 10, that will be really good for him.

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I'll take a wait and see approach. Has anyone saw much in the way of passing skills from the QB's from this system translated to the pros yet? They all have had an issue dealing with pressure and/or pass progressions or reading coverage.
I don't think it is so much the system, but what the coaches are comfortable with the players handling on the field. Bortles, Carr, & Garoppolo all came from spread systems, but they were given a lot more responsibility than a guy like Manziel was.

RGIII did not run a one read & go offense.
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I'm pretty sure NFL teams have several scouts watching practices even now, hoping to get that bit of info that others missed.
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Like Bridgewater, Petty lacks ideal size.
What do you consider ideal size? Bryce Petty is 6'3" 238 lbs. WTF are you looking for?

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The hulking Petty has linebacker's size (6-3, 238) and a tailback's burst and athleticism. He vertical jumps 38 inches, broad jumps 10-feet, 5.5-inches, squats 510 pounds and runs a 4.62 40. Over the weekend, Petty provided even more proof of his Freak merits to anyone around the Elite 11 camp in Oregon. Part of a series of challenges run by Team RWB, a group of Special Forces and career military men, Petty was a sight to see toting heavy sandbags up a hill back-and-forth for over a half-hour straight.

When Petty arrived in Waco, he weighed 214 pounds, had a 31-inch vertical and clocked in the high 4.8s. [Baylor strength coach Kaz] Kazadi said his workout numbers, despite being quite a bit bigger, rival the great RGIII in almost every workout area and some of his weight work. "If you wanted him to go to 250 and make him a defensive end so he was chasing quarterbacks, he could do it," said Kazadi. "If you wanted to make him that old-school, over-the-tight end outside linebacker, he could do it. If you wanted to make him a tight end, he could easily do it. He can do all that."
So, just because I want to make sure you had your coffee this morning and read that correctly, a professional who evaluates strength and athleticism for a living believes Petty is physically capable of playing four very different positions, all of which require you to be, for the sake of simplicity, pretty much a badass.
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If only he were a LB.

I know 6'3" 238 lbs looks big to most people, but in the NFL it's probably average. Ideal size is 6'5"


Size is not a deal breaker. Just if I was going down a checklist I wouldn't check size if he's a QB & under 6'5"

Like I said, a high release point (at 6'3") it may not be an issue.
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Tonight is Bryce Petty's turn, 6:30PM vs SMU, Baylor's new stadium.

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Great athlete and looks like goodstrength, but was inconsistent on long throws and got some ding around the hip/lower back area...no second half.
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A back injury forced quarterback Bryce Petty to leave Baylor's season-opening 45-0 win over SMU at halftime on Sunday but the senior signal caller doesn't expect to miss any game time due to the injury.

Petty suffered a bruised back after taking a hit on his first run of the 2014 season but remained in the game until halftime. After the game, he insisted that he expects to play when BU hosts Northwestern (La.) State on Saturday.

"It's already feeling a lot better right now," Petty said.
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I didn't see much of the game but I did see he hurt his back and then came back in and ran for a TD and hurt himself again.

I appreciate his toughness but you gotta be smarter than that. Baylor was already up 2-3 scores and could easily have pushed it in with a RB.
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Rumor going around that Petty might have broken 2 vertebrae in the game last night. Really hoping that's not true.
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I don't think it is so much the system, but what the coaches are comfortable with the players handling on the field. Bortles, Carr, & Garoppolo all came from spread systems, but they were given a lot more responsibility than a guy like Manziel was.

RGIII did not run a one read & go offense.
Going to have to agree to disagree. This is how Briles system has always been ran all the way back to Stephensville High and it didn't change in RG3's time. It's one of the reasons he splits his wideouts so far outside the numbers. Make it simple to read for the QB. There's a reason folks are commenting how uncomfortable RG is looking in the pocket and going through progressions. So far each QB that has came from that system has shown issues reading and going through proper progressions.

That's why you can't compare to every QB in a spread or from one. Coaches teach things differently and Briles runs his a certain way. A system, of course, picked up and utilized at A&M. Texas Tech and something Leach uses as well. Its was Sumlin and his offensive coordinator who commented on how it simplifies the reads for the quarterback to help them move so fast from play to play. Thus far none have produced a top NFL pocket passer.
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Rumor going around that Petty might have broken 2 vertebrae in the game last night. Really hoping that's not true.
Oh geez, man, I hope that's not true.
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Reports are 2 cracked vertebrae and that he is day-to-day (!?). Not sure how accurate that is. Reports are that he will still play on Saturday which I find a bit absurd.
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"A back injury forced quarterback Bryce Petty to leave Baylor's season-opening 45-0 win over SMU at halftime on Sunday but the senior signal caller doesn't expect to miss any game time due to the injury.

Petty suffered a bruised back after taking a hit on his first run of the 2014 season but remained in the game until halftime. After the game, he insisted that he expects to play when BU hosts Northwestern (La.) State on Saturday.

"It's already feeling a lot better right now," Petty said."

Ah youth. I injured my back after hitting a bump in the golf cart and I'll be out for two months.
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I do not want anything to do with a QB with spinal injuries...signed Peyton Manning
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Reports are 2 cracked vertebrae and that he is day-to-day (!?). Not sure how accurate that is. Reports are that he will still play on Saturday which I find a bit absurd.
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Seems to heal with bed rest if no other involvement, but we'll need Dr. CND to expound on this...
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Going to have to agree to disagree. This is how Briles system has always been ran all the way back to Stephensville High and it didn't change in RG3's time. It's one of the reasons he splits his wideouts so far outside the numbers. Make it simple to read for the QB. There's a reason folks are commenting how uncomfortable RG is looking in the pocket and going through progressions. So far each QB that has came from that system has shown issues reading and going through proper progressions.

That's why you can't compare to every QB in a spread or from one. Coaches teach things differently and Briles runs his a certain way. A system, of course, picked up and utilized at A&M. Texas Tech and something Leach uses as well. Its was Sumlin and his offensive coordinator who commented on how it simplifies the reads for the quarterback to help them move so fast from play to play. Thus far none have produced a top NFL pocket passer.
Exactly. All spread systems employ the aspect of "spreading" the defense thin. With the defense spread out like that, it makes the reads easier for the qb b/c they can rule out certain guys coming based on how far they are from the ball and other things. If you do choose to blitz against spread systems, you're greatly compromising the integrity of your overall defense b/c in all liklihood, you're probably creating a tremendous mismatch somewhere or you're leaving your db's on an island with no help.....
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