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Old 06-17-2014   #1201
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Sep 3 2013
Restructured 2013 salary/roster bonus from $10.5 million to $5 million with Houston (HOU)
Mar 13 2012
Restructured 2012 salary from $6.5 million to $700k with Houston (HOU)
Aug 5 2010
Signed a 7 year $67.8 million extension with Houston (HOU)
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Signed a 6 year $70 million extension with Houston (HOU)
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Signed a 6 year $39 million contract with Houston (HOU)
Apr 26 2003
Drafted by Houston (HOU): Round 1 (#3 overall)

Career earnings from bonus (guaranteed money) ~ $44m and career earnings with salary ~ $75m

You can say it was the first contract re-worked over and over...still doesn't change the fact that Andre could have probably had a contract more in line with his skill level on the first extension.
That was just me being anal. But yeah he definitely could have had had more money if he just finish out his rookie contract.
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That's what happens with you negotiate contracts without good representation...
Yep. That agent who's been making the radio rounds pointed out that Larry Fitzgerald has earned $15 million more than AJ over his career, while playing one less year.
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Ya' know, I have a real hard time feeling sorry for a multi-millionaire because he's not making more money than the next multi-millionaire. I truely enjoy watching AJ play & hope he decides to come to camp & finish out his career as a Texan. But, if he chooses not to, I'm going to wish him the best & continue to cheer for the Texans. I'm a fan of the team more than I'm a fan of an individual player. Thanks for the memories AJ.
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Yep. That agent who's been making the radio rounds pointed out that Larry Fitzgerald has earned $15 million more than AJ over his career, while playing one less year.
I really don't understand this theory that Andre is under compensated. That's going to equate to less than 15%. Add on that Andre was drafted first, and renegotiated first, that's about to be expected and there's a good argument that Fitzgerald is better anyway (87 TDs to 61).

The facts don't fit the theory.
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I really don't understand the theory that Andre is under compensated. That's going to equate to less than 15%. Add on that Andre was drafted first, and renegotiated first, that's about to be expected and there's a good argument that Fitzgerald is better anyway (87 TDs to 61).

The facts don't fit the theory.
How many TDs would Dre have with a strong armed COMPETENT QB? How does that stat reflect negatively on Dre?
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How many TDs would Dre have with a strong armed COMPETENT QB? How does that stat reflect negatively on Dre?
You're painting into a binary when we are talking about nuance. It was a contract negotiation. One guy scores 8.7 tds per year, and the other 5.5. And while Fitzgerald did have Warner, he also had McCown, Leinart, Kolb, and Anderson, and Palmer.

Look, I'm not running down Andre. I'm just saying that it's easily arguable that Fitzgerald deserved a little more money, but clearly they are both are similar in performance and compensation. They far more alike than different anyway.
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You're painting into a binary when we are talking about nuance. It was a contract negotiation. One guy scores 8.7 tds per year, and the other 5.5. And while Fitzgerald did have Warner, he also had McCown, Leinart, Kolb, and Anderson, and Palmer.

Look, I'm not running down Andre. I'm just saying that it's easily arguable that Fitzgerald deserved a little more money, but clearly they are both are similar in performance and compensation. They far more alike than different anyway.
Give me AJ in his prime over Fitzgerald anyday. AJ has had Carr and Schaub, Warner easily helps give AJ 10-15 more total TDs to his resume. AJ has carried this team with sometimes little or no help. And he has atleast made our crappy QBs look descent sometimes.
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Give me AJ in his prime over Fitzgerald anyday. AJ has had Carr and Schaub, Warner easily helps give AJ 10-15 more total TDs to his resume. AJ has carried this team with sometimes little or no help. And he has atleast made our crappy QBs look descent sometimes.
I would also take AJ in his prime... However, that ship sailed 3 years ago.
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I would also take AJ in his prime... However, that ship sailed 3 years ago.
Dunno he looked damn good last season as well, even with horrible QB play
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109 catches 1400 yards. Yup definitely in decline we should ship that bum out of here, but then nobody would want him on their team with his bad attitude and poor production.
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109 catches 1400 yards. Yup definitely in decline we should ship that bum out of here, but then nobody would want him on their team with his bad attitude and poor production.
I did not assert that he had a bad attitude or that he was unproductive. As I wrote earlier, I equate him to be a similar receiver at this stage of his career to A. Boldin, who is an excellent receiver as well. However, neither he nor AJ (at this stage of his career) have the explosive speed and playmaking ability to justify a $16 million cap hit.
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109 catches 1400 yards. Yup definitely in decline we should ship that bum out of here, but then nobody would want him on their team with his bad attitude and poor production.
A lot Texans fan are just plain slow... Andre Johnson is still a beast.
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I did not assert that he had a bad attitude or that he was unproductive. As I wrote. arlier, I equate him to be a similar receiver at this stage of his career to A. Boldin, who is an excellent receiver as well. However, neither he nor AJ (at this stage of his career) have the explosive speed and playmaking ability to justify a $16 million cap hit.
Boldin put up similar stats sure IN 2005! When you talk about speed do you mean like Deandre Hopkins fast? Lol
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How many TDs would Dre have with a strong armed COMPETENT QB? How does that stat reflect negatively on Dre?
Speculate for us?

How many more TD's would AJ have had with a WR like Boldin opposite him? How many more TD's/catches would AJ have had if Kubiak wasn't his HC? All of this is just speculation.
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How many more TD's would AJ have had with a WR like Boldin opposite him? How many more TD's/catches would AJ have had if Kubiak wasn't his HC? All of this is just speculation.
IF AJ had a QB like Brees or Manning i believe he would have close to 100 or more for his career. I mean he was and still is one of the best in the game
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Boldin put up similar stats sure IN 2005! When you talk about speed do you mean like Deandre Hopkins fast? Lol
I would imagine that Posey is our most explosive WR, particularly if you focus on speed. I love AJ, and I have no desire to tear the man down. I'm simply stating what is clear. Watch footage of him 4-5 years ago and compare it to the last couple seasons. Not only has his speed diminished but his ability to break tackles, to accelerate have also diminished. It happens. He has played for a long time and been the center of the offense for most of that time, suffering injuries like the PCL and detached hamstring. Despite that, he is still an excellent WR.

Other than wanting to operate in the realm of reality, my only point is that a $16+ million cap hit is very expensive for a descending WR (descending from a very tall peak, I would agree).
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IF AJ had a QB like Brees or Manning i believe he would have close to 100 or more for his career. I mean he was and still is one of the best in the game
I think you are likely correct. None of that would change the fact, though, that his skills are declining due to age and injury. If this was 2010, I would be panicked about a holdout by AJ. It isn't... I doubt that New Orleans, Denver, or New England has any interest in trading for him at this point, even though he would only count about $11-$12 million against the cap the next two seasons instead of the $16-$17 million he will count against the Texans' cap.
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