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Old 06-17-2014   #1181
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bahaha thats good stuff.....
It is a great picture.

He's describing himself not his opponent but it's still a great picture. He just doesn't realize he's the pigeon.
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so did the ole ingrate receiver show up today?
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Andre do it for the TEAM!!!!

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If you're done ****ting on the board answer me this. If the two of us have a standard contract where I work for you and I break the contract what happens? Do you have the right to fine me? Do you have the right to void the contract yourself?

Since you have a problem grasping this ill answer for you. No and no. Not unless we have a collective agreement that allows me to back out with fines and allows you to terminate such contract at your discretion.

Without that agreement your only recourse would be to take me to court and sue. The fact that they can fine the players should make it obvious that there is a provision that allows players to sit out. If there wasn't then the teams only option would be to take the player to court and sue do to breach of contract.

Now stop strutting around and ****ting on this board. It's making you look like you have a bird brain.
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so did the ole ingrate receiver show up today?
No but a bunch of ingrate posters (like you) have showed up asking about him.
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Agree with Marshall and Nitrofish, and if I am the Texans I let him retire. I don't trade him and I don't renegotiate which sets a bad precedent. I say if you want to be part of the team, we will welcome you with open arms, but no player is bigger than the team and if you don't want to be part of the team, then you are welcome to retire but you as the employee don't get to tell us how to run our business. We employ you to do a job and if you aren't willing to do said job, then it's time to move on.

Name another business where a man can not show up to work, get paid, and grumble about the way the business is being run and demand they get transferred to another division of said company in another state.

Lastly, I don't even know what the hell his problem is. I don't think it's been made public, but he is losing a lot of respect at this point and he just needs to take his sorry ass back to Miami and settle in his easy chair if he isn't willing to be on the team.
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If you're done ****ting on the board answer me this. If the two of us have a standard contract where I work for you and I break the contract what happens? Do you have the right to fine me? Do you have the right to void the contract yourself?

Since you have a problem grasping this ill answer for you. No and no. Not unless we have a collective agreement that allows me to back out with fines and allows you to terminate such contract at your discretion.

Without that agreement your only recourse would be to take me to court and sue. The fact that they can fine the players should make it obvious that there is a provision that allows players to sit out. If there wasn't then the teams only option would be to take the player to court and sue do to breach of contract.

Now stop strutting around and ****ting on this board. It's making you look like you have a bird brain.
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If you're done ****ting on the board answer me this. If the two of us have a standard contract where I work for you and I break the contract what happens? Do you have the right to fine me? Do you have the right to void the contract yourself?

Since you have a problem grasping this ill answer for you. No and no. Not unless we have a collective agreement that allows me to back out with fines and allows you to terminate such contract at your discretion.

Without that agreement your only recourse would be to take me to court and sue. The fact that they can fine the players should make it obvious that there is a provision that allows players to sit out. If there wasn't then the teams only option would be to take the player to court and sue do to breach of contract.
This is exactly correct. There are even provisions now that if Andre were to hold out in the regular season that the team can go get portions of the signing bonus back.

However, this still hurts the team and it damages my opinion of Andre. If he wanted to go play for a winner so badly, he should have let his contract expire and signed with another team at a discounted rate years ago. He can't have it both ways.
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This is exactly correct. There are even provisions now that if Andre were to hold out in the regular season that the team can go get portions of the signing bonus back.

However, this still hurts the team and it damages my opinion of Andre. If he wanted to go play for a winner so badly, he should have let his contract expire and signed with another team at a discounted rate years ago. He can't have it both ways.
When are you speaking about? Because the original contract was an extension to his rookie contract signed in 2007. Oh it was a bad contract (for AJ but great for the "team"), especially considering a year late Larry Fitz gets a monster $100+ mil with over $20 mil more in guaranteed than Johnson's. Sure after back to back 100+ catch, 1500+ yard seasons Johnson demanded more money. The amount he got extra was still miniscule compare to Fitz and other's such as Harvin, Wallace etc, all people who's production was sub par (and still is) compared to AJ's. Besides you are trying to compare the difference between a 25 year old AJ (2007) and a 32 year old AJ (2014). Just a little perspective
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When are you speaking about? Because the original contract was an extension to his rookie contract signed in 2007. Oh it was a bad contract (for AJ but great for the "team"), especially considering a year late Larry Fitz gets a monster $100+ mil with over $20 mil more in guaranteed than Johnson's. Sure after back to back 100+ catch, 1500+ yard seasons Johnson demanded more money. The amount he got extra was still miniscule compare to Fitz and other's such as Harvin, Wallace etc, all people who's production was sub par (and still is) compared to AJ's. Besides you are trying to compare the difference between a 25 year old AJ (2007) and a 32 year old AJ (2014). Just a little perspective
That's what happens with you negotiate contracts without good representation. AJ did the first contract on his own. The second contract was done by his uncle. Then the team re-structured twice to give him more guaranteed money. If AJ wanted more money back in 08 then he should have brought in proper representation.
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When are you speaking about? Because the original contract was an extension to his rookie contract signed in 2007. Oh it was a bad contract (for AJ but great for the "team"), especially considering a year late Larry Fitz gets a monster $100+ mil with over $20 mil more in guaranteed than Johnson's. Sure after back to back 100+ catch, 1500+ yard seasons Johnson demanded more money. The amount he got extra was still miniscule compare to Fitz and other's such as Harvin, Wallace etc, all people who's production was sub par (and still is) compared to AJ's. Besides you are trying to compare the difference between a 25 year old AJ (2007) and a 32 year old AJ (2014). Just a little perspective
He signed one extention in 2007 and another one in 2010. He was 29.

edit: And you're only going to be the highest paid when you sign. Contracts always go up. If you want to be the highest paid, then you need a short contract so you can renegotiate sooner.
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Also, according to Spotrac, Larry Fitzgerald only got 7m more in guaranteed money. Andre got 20m; Larry 27. Harvin: 14.5. Wallace: 30.
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That's what happens with you negotiate contracts without good representation. AJ did the first contract on his own. The second contract was done by his uncle. Then the team re-structured twice to give him more guaranteed money. If AJ wanted more money back in 08 then he should have brought in proper representation.
No doubt representing himself backfired in this case. You have to have proper knowledge to be able to get your worth. So unfortunately for him he did not. Perhaps a little patience could have helped as well. If he would have waited until 2009 then he definitely would have gotten more (even if he represented himself). I'm sure the Texans were thrilled to sign him at that rate, especially seeing the type of money less worthy receivers have been getting since.

BTW just FYI there was no second contract (technically ever). The "first" was an extension to his rookie contract. The "second" was a restructuring (adding a year and paying it as a bonus to be prorated). This is the reason his cap hit is 14+ mil over the next few year (because it was so low in all the previous ones). Which is the main reason I always bring this up when people talk about "Andre signed a contract he's screwing the team etc". The fact is he got screwed first (of course to some of own undoing). Perhaps it isn't about money. Perhaps he wants to win.

If we again put all things in perspective the argument "if he wanted to win he shouldn't have signed a contract" is baseless. Because as you can see in 2007 a 25 year old AJ signed a contract after our first NON LOSING season with a 2nd year head coach (before his monster years). Why not resign? What would have made him think that he couldn't turn things around for the franchise that drafted him? Now fast forward to 2014. He's 32. We just picked #1 overall (for the 3rd time in franchise history) after going winning back to back division titles and winning playoff games (which were the first time in his, at the time, 10 years here). Brand new coaching staff. No QB. Didn't draft one. Perhaps Andre, after many years of optimism, was beginning to question if we would ever win here.

People are bashing Johnson's pessimism. He was very optimistic through all the BS before. You think he's not seeing the writing on the wall.

P.S. Sorry for the long winded post. The entire thing wasn't directly solely at you. I got little off track...
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He signed one extention in 2007 and another one in 2010. He was 29.

edit: And you're only going to be the highest paid when you sign. Contracts always go up. If you want to be the highest paid, then you need a short contract so you can renegotiate sooner.
Yes in 2007 it was a 6 year extension (which definitely wasn't smart). In 2010 it was a 1 year extension in the form of a restructure to clear up cap.

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Transactions per Spotrac:
Sep 3 2013
Restructured 2013 salary/roster bonus from $10.5 million to $5 million with Houston (HOU)
Mar 13 2012
Restructured 2012 salary from $6.5 million to $700k with Houston (HOU)
Aug 5 2010
Signed a 7 year $67.8 million extension with Houston (HOU)
Mar 3 2007
Signed a 6 year $70 million extension with Houston (HOU)
Jul 22 2003
Signed a 6 year $39 million contract with Houston (HOU)
Apr 26 2003
Drafted by Houston (HOU): Round 1 (#3 overall)

Career earnings from bonus (guaranteed money) ~ $44m and career earnings with salary ~ $75m

You can say it was the first contract re-worked over and over...still doesn't change the fact that Andre could have probably had a contract more in line with his skill level on the first extension.
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Fact that Dre is still listening to his uncle is disturbing. Not real bright ...
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Fact that Dre is still listening to his uncle is disturbing. Not real bright ...
Yea it was mentioned on the radio if maybe family getting in his ear might be a strong contributing factor on this.
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Extention or not, it's a new contract.
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Yea it was mentioned on the radio if maybe family getting in his ear might be a strong contributing factor on this.
Same family has probably spent all his money, so wants him to hold out for more.
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Same family has probably spent all his money, so wants him to hold out for more.
Let's hope for AJ's sake that is not the case.
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