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Old 06-17-2014   #1181
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When are you speaking about? Because the original contract was an extension to his rookie contract signed in 2007. Oh it was a bad contract (for AJ but great for the "team"), especially considering a year late Larry Fitz gets a monster $100+ mil with over $20 mil more in guaranteed than Johnson's. Sure after back to back 100+ catch, 1500+ yard seasons Johnson demanded more money. The amount he got extra was still miniscule compare to Fitz and other's such as Harvin, Wallace etc, all people who's production was sub par (and still is) compared to AJ's. Besides you are trying to compare the difference between a 25 year old AJ (2007) and a 32 year old AJ (2014). Just a little perspective
That's what happens with you negotiate contracts without good representation. AJ did the first contract on his own. The second contract was done by his uncle. Then the team re-structured twice to give him more guaranteed money. If AJ wanted more money back in 08 then he should have brought in proper representation.
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When are you speaking about? Because the original contract was an extension to his rookie contract signed in 2007. Oh it was a bad contract (for AJ but great for the "team"), especially considering a year late Larry Fitz gets a monster $100+ mil with over $20 mil more in guaranteed than Johnson's. Sure after back to back 100+ catch, 1500+ yard seasons Johnson demanded more money. The amount he got extra was still miniscule compare to Fitz and other's such as Harvin, Wallace etc, all people who's production was sub par (and still is) compared to AJ's. Besides you are trying to compare the difference between a 25 year old AJ (2007) and a 32 year old AJ (2014). Just a little perspective
He signed one extention in 2007 and another one in 2010. He was 29.

edit: And you're only going to be the highest paid when you sign. Contracts always go up. If you want to be the highest paid, then you need a short contract so you can renegotiate sooner.
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Also, according to Spotrac, Larry Fitzgerald only got 7m more in guaranteed money. Andre got 20m; Larry 27. Harvin: 14.5. Wallace: 30.
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That's what happens with you negotiate contracts without good representation. AJ did the first contract on his own. The second contract was done by his uncle. Then the team re-structured twice to give him more guaranteed money. If AJ wanted more money back in 08 then he should have brought in proper representation.
No doubt representing himself backfired in this case. You have to have proper knowledge to be able to get your worth. So unfortunately for him he did not. Perhaps a little patience could have helped as well. If he would have waited until 2009 then he definitely would have gotten more (even if he represented himself). I'm sure the Texans were thrilled to sign him at that rate, especially seeing the type of money less worthy receivers have been getting since.

BTW just FYI there was no second contract (technically ever). The "first" was an extension to his rookie contract. The "second" was a restructuring (adding a year and paying it as a bonus to be prorated). This is the reason his cap hit is 14+ mil over the next few year (because it was so low in all the previous ones). Which is the main reason I always bring this up when people talk about "Andre signed a contract he's screwing the team etc". The fact is he got screwed first (of course to some of own undoing). Perhaps it isn't about money. Perhaps he wants to win.

If we again put all things in perspective the argument "if he wanted to win he shouldn't have signed a contract" is baseless. Because as you can see in 2007 a 25 year old AJ signed a contract after our first NON LOSING season with a 2nd year head coach (before his monster years). Why not resign? What would have made him think that he couldn't turn things around for the franchise that drafted him? Now fast forward to 2014. He's 32. We just picked #1 overall (for the 3rd time in franchise history) after going winning back to back division titles and winning playoff games (which were the first time in his, at the time, 10 years here). Brand new coaching staff. No QB. Didn't draft one. Perhaps Andre, after many years of optimism, was beginning to question if we would ever win here.

People are bashing Johnson's pessimism. He was very optimistic through all the BS before. You think he's not seeing the writing on the wall.

P.S. Sorry for the long winded post. The entire thing wasn't directly solely at you. I got little off track...
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He signed one extention in 2007 and another one in 2010. He was 29.

edit: And you're only going to be the highest paid when you sign. Contracts always go up. If you want to be the highest paid, then you need a short contract so you can renegotiate sooner.
Yes in 2007 it was a 6 year extension (which definitely wasn't smart). In 2010 it was a 1 year extension in the form of a restructure to clear up cap.

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Transactions per Spotrac:
Sep 3 2013
Restructured 2013 salary/roster bonus from $10.5 million to $5 million with Houston (HOU)
Mar 13 2012
Restructured 2012 salary from $6.5 million to $700k with Houston (HOU)
Aug 5 2010
Signed a 7 year $67.8 million extension with Houston (HOU)
Mar 3 2007
Signed a 6 year $70 million extension with Houston (HOU)
Jul 22 2003
Signed a 6 year $39 million contract with Houston (HOU)
Apr 26 2003
Drafted by Houston (HOU): Round 1 (#3 overall)

Career earnings from bonus (guaranteed money) ~ $44m and career earnings with salary ~ $75m

You can say it was the first contract re-worked over and over...still doesn't change the fact that Andre could have probably had a contract more in line with his skill level on the first extension.
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Fact that Dre is still listening to his uncle is disturbing. Not real bright ...
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Fact that Dre is still listening to his uncle is disturbing. Not real bright ...
Yea it was mentioned on the radio if maybe family getting in his ear might be a strong contributing factor on this.
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Extention or not, it's a new contract.
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Yea it was mentioned on the radio if maybe family getting in his ear might be a strong contributing factor on this.
Same family has probably spent all his money, so wants him to hold out for more.
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Same family has probably spent all his money, so wants him to hold out for more.
Let's hope for AJ's sake that is not the case.
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Transactions per Spotrac:
Sep 3 2013
Restructured 2013 salary/roster bonus from $10.5 million to $5 million with Houston (HOU)
Mar 13 2012
Restructured 2012 salary from $6.5 million to $700k with Houston (HOU)
Aug 5 2010
Signed a 7 year $67.8 million extension with Houston (HOU)
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Signed a 6 year $70 million extension with Houston (HOU)
Jul 22 2003
Signed a 6 year $39 million contract with Houston (HOU)
Apr 26 2003
Drafted by Houston (HOU): Round 1 (#3 overall)

Career earnings from bonus (guaranteed money) ~ $44m and career earnings with salary ~ $75m

You can say it was the first contract re-worked over and over...still doesn't change the fact that Andre could have probably had a contract more in line with his skill level on the first extension.
That was just me being anal. But yeah he definitely could have had had more money if he just finish out his rookie contract.
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That's what happens with you negotiate contracts without good representation...
Yep. That agent who's been making the radio rounds pointed out that Larry Fitzgerald has earned $15 million more than AJ over his career, while playing one less year.
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Ya' know, I have a real hard time feeling sorry for a multi-millionaire because he's not making more money than the next multi-millionaire. I truely enjoy watching AJ play & hope he decides to come to camp & finish out his career as a Texan. But, if he chooses not to, I'm going to wish him the best & continue to cheer for the Texans. I'm a fan of the team more than I'm a fan of an individual player. Thanks for the memories AJ.
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Yep. That agent who's been making the radio rounds pointed out that Larry Fitzgerald has earned $15 million more than AJ over his career, while playing one less year.
I really don't understand this theory that Andre is under compensated. That's going to equate to less than 15%. Add on that Andre was drafted first, and renegotiated first, that's about to be expected and there's a good argument that Fitzgerald is better anyway (87 TDs to 61).

The facts don't fit the theory.
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I really don't understand the theory that Andre is under compensated. That's going to equate to less than 15%. Add on that Andre was drafted first, and renegotiated first, that's about to be expected and there's a good argument that Fitzgerald is better anyway (87 TDs to 61).

The facts don't fit the theory.
How many TDs would Dre have with a strong armed COMPETENT QB? How does that stat reflect negatively on Dre?
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How many TDs would Dre have with a strong armed COMPETENT QB? How does that stat reflect negatively on Dre?
You're painting into a binary when we are talking about nuance. It was a contract negotiation. One guy scores 8.7 tds per year, and the other 5.5. And while Fitzgerald did have Warner, he also had McCown, Leinart, Kolb, and Anderson, and Palmer.

Look, I'm not running down Andre. I'm just saying that it's easily arguable that Fitzgerald deserved a little more money, but clearly they are both are similar in performance and compensation. They far more alike than different anyway.
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You're painting into a binary when we are talking about nuance. It was a contract negotiation. One guy scores 8.7 tds per year, and the other 5.5. And while Fitzgerald did have Warner, he also had McCown, Leinart, Kolb, and Anderson, and Palmer.

Look, I'm not running down Andre. I'm just saying that it's easily arguable that Fitzgerald deserved a little more money, but clearly they are both are similar in performance and compensation. They far more alike than different anyway.
Give me AJ in his prime over Fitzgerald anyday. AJ has had Carr and Schaub, Warner easily helps give AJ 10-15 more total TDs to his resume. AJ has carried this team with sometimes little or no help. And he has atleast made our crappy QBs look descent sometimes.
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Give me AJ in his prime over Fitzgerald anyday. AJ has had Carr and Schaub, Warner easily helps give AJ 10-15 more total TDs to his resume. AJ has carried this team with sometimes little or no help. And he has atleast made our crappy QBs look descent sometimes.
I would also take AJ in his prime... However, that ship sailed 3 years ago.
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I would also take AJ in his prime... However, that ship sailed 3 years ago.
Dunno he looked damn good last season as well, even with horrible QB play
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