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Old 06-16-2014   #1141
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What a bunch of rubbish. You should just stop. players have the right in the nfl bargaining agreement to do exactly what AJ is doing and teams have the right to terminate contracts early if they see fit. So just stop with this nonsense.
Really? Can you cite the passage in the CBA that states that please?
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Hopefully things don't go so far, but missing any training camp starts getting pretty costly...........~$30,000 per day missed.
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Hopefully things don't go so far, but missing any training camp starts getting pretty costly...........~$30,000 per day missed.
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It just sucks because when he does show up, and I'm confident he will, he will be behind on learning the new system.
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I was referring to TC fines.
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Andre's going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. The fans are starting to turn on him, and if he doesn't show for camp, they will completely bail on him if that persists for any length of time.

He's got about 6 weeks to figure it out. Regardless of him skipping mini-camp, he can still mend things with the organization, teammates and fans if he shows up at camp and works his butt off. If he's not there, I think we may have seen the end of AJ in a Texans uni or perhaps any NFL uniform.

I appreciate his past contributions, but the man can't be endearing himself to the other 52 players that will eventually make up this roster. His behavior is the antithesis of the culture BOB is trying to instill. One man - no matter how good - does not come before the team.

If I am the Texans it's either come show up and play, or retire. We aren't releasing you, we aren't trading you, and we aren't tearing up your contract for a new one. You have a contract you signed and you knew the terms and now it's time to come to work and kick butt. If not, see ya don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Agree 100% with your post. Also think O'Brien will not put up with this distraction much longer. Will be interesting to see what happens. Still predicting us to go 11-5 this year. Hopefully we can get some compensation..
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Andre will be a Texan this year and he'll catch a hundred balls for 1000+ yards. Those concerned with him learning BOB's system are underestimating AJ. I will bet y'all dollars to donuts that AJ has watched enough film of the Patriots and PSU to have a grasp of what BOB's offense is all about.

As far as trading him, if I were the Texans, I wouldn't take much less than Oliver Luck... In other words, I ain't trading him.

The thing that does concern me the most is, is that his uncle is involved again. Uncle Andre Melton IRRC.

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The thing is, I see more and more fans displaying apathy for AJ rather than empathy or sympathy.
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And now, the end (may be) here
And so I face the final touchdown
My fans, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'll tell Melton
I've lived a career that's full
I've attended each and ev'ry play
And more, much more than this, I did it my way

Regrets, I've had a few
But then again, too few QB's to mention
I ran what routes I had to do and saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted restructure, most each contract along the byway
And more, much more than whuppin Innegan, I did it my way

Yes, there were seasons, I'm sure you knew
When my coach bit off more than he could chew
But through it all, when there was doubt
My last time on the field, I walked it out
I faced it all and I stood tall and did it my way

I've loved, I've laughed and cried
I've had my fill, my share of losing
And now, as contracts subside, I find it all so amusing
To think I did all that
And may I say, not in a shy way,
"Oh, no, oh, no, not me, I did it my way"

For what is a reciever, what has he got?
If not a competent offense, then he has naught
To quietly say the things he truly feels and not the words of one in teal
The record shows I took the blows and did it my way!
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Really? Can you cite the passage in the CBA that states that please?
Why do people make half assed comments like this? Why don't you read it yourself?

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...-2011-2020.pdf

I read over the nfl contract portion. It just basically says if a player willfully misses practice, workout, off season stuff etc he can be fined up to a certain extent. The fact that they even word it in the manner they did shows that it always has been and will continue to be a right of a player to holdout for any reason. It defintely doesn't speak of this bullcrap alot of other posters are saying "Well he signed a contract. He owes it to the team" I haven't seen a clause about that BS. It's a business. Get over it.

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I hear mini camps a comin'
It's rolling round the bend I ain't caught a football since I don't know when,
I'm stuck in Texan's prison, and time keeps draggin' on
But those OTAs keep a rollin' on down by the dome ..
When I was just a baby my mama told me. Son,
Always be a good boy, you'll never use the shotgun .
But I beat a man in Reliant just to watch him bleed
When I hear that whistle blowing , 12 wins is what I need

I bet there's winning players eating in a fancy dining car
They're probably drinkin' Cognac and smoking big reefer cigars.
Well I know I had it coming, I know I can't be free
But those players keep a winning
And that's what tortures me...

Well if they freed me from this prison,
If that QB pick was mine
I bet I'd move it on a little farther down the line
Far from this Texan's prison, that's where I want to stay
And I'd let that referee's whistle blow my deep steel blues away.....
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I hear mini camps a comin'
It's rolling round the bend I ain't caught a football since I don't know when,
I'm stuck in Texan's prison, and time keeps draggin' on
But those OTAs keep a rollin' on down by the dome ..
When I was just a baby my mama told me. Son,
Always be a good boy, you'll never use the shotgun .
But I beat a man in Reliant just to watch him bleed
When I hear that whistle blowing , 12 wins is what I need

I bet there's winning players eating in a fancy dining car
They're probably drinkin' Cognac and smoking big reefer cigars.
Well I know I had it coming, I know I can't be free
But those players keep a winning
And that's what tortures me...

Well if they freed me from this prison,
If that QB pick was mine
I bet I'd move it on a little farther down the line
Far from this Texan's prison, that's where I want to stay
And I'd let that referee's whistle blow my deep steel blues away.....
Man that is pretty catchy. Sort of reminds me of a song by Joaquin Phoenix..
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Man that is pretty catchy. Sort of reminds me of a song by Joaquin Phoenix..
I was thinking more of Joaquín Andújar .
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He is a quitter, and I never asserted he displayed the character flaw before. You are making that up. It's not about what I asserted, it's about what AJ asserted when he signed that contract.

AJ gave his word when he signed his contract. I am sure if you read it, it lays out that he is expected to show up to OTA's and camp..
So, you're going to just continue and make **** up? That's about it, right?

YOU think he's a quitter, and YOU think signing a contract means that only one side gets to assert their options under that contract?

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Why do people make half assed comments like this? Why don't you read it yourself?

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...-2011-2020.pdf

I glossed over the nfl contract portion. It just basically says if a player willfully misses practice, workout, off season stuff etc he can be fined up to a certain extent. The fact that they even word it in the manner they did shows that it always has been and will continue to be a right of a player to holdout for any reason. It defintely doesn't speak of this bullcrap alot of other posters are saying "Well he signed a contract. He owes it to the team" I haven't seen a clause about that BS. It's a business. Get over it.
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I have not heard of one player being distracted. It sounds like AJ is not doing what you want him to and you are distracted. His contract (thru the CBA) allows him to do exactly what he is doing with only minor consequences. I think if NFL owners were really upset with behavior of players like AJ holding out or not showing or whatever, the consequences would be more severe. His actions are not immoral, criminal or evil. He is doing what he thinks is best for him under the rules.
Breach of Contract is wrong. Yes, there are consequences when you do it, but that doesn't mitigate the wrong. Missing voluntary workouts may cause you to be unprepared, but you can work around that when you're a veteran and the physical toll is more profound than a level of mental unpreparedness.

But missing the mandatory workouts is another thing. The financial consequences may be minor, but the lack of honor remains. It is a common ploy of agents who have no honor.
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Why do people make half assed comments like this? Why don't you read it yourself?

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...-2011-2020.pdf

I glossed over the nfl contract portion. It just basically says if a player willfully misses practice, workout, off season stuff etc he can be fined up to a certain extent. The fact that they even word it in the manner they did shows that it always has been and will continue to be a right of a player to holdout for any reason. It defintely doesn't speak of this bullcrap alot of other posters are saying "Well he signed a contract. He owes it to the team" I haven't seen a clause about that BS. It's a business. Get over it.
I love how you interpret a fine to mean it is a players right to hold out. Why in the hell would they be fining a player if it was their right to hold out? That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

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So, you're going to just continue and make **** up? That's about it, right?

YOU think he's a quitter, and YOU think signing a contract means that only one side gets to assert their options under that contract?

What did I make up? As I said in the message above, why would the team or league fine a player for something that was their right to do? If it is a right, there would be no fine. To say otherwise is utter nonsense.

This is an option players use when they do not have leverage because they are locked into a binding contract, and it is not a right. It's a strategy players use, but it is NOT a right. The fact that you have reduced your argument down to defending a hold out shows how disconnected from reality you are.

If it were Jon Weeks, or John Doe pulling this BS, you would all be screaming for his head. But because it is Dre, you want to give him a pass. That's called a double standard, and hypocrisy.

Most of you called for a culture change, and said the team was soft. So that change finally comes, and now you want to make exceptions for a star player. So much for culture change.

So now it has become less about the player and the situation, and more about attacking someone you disagree with, even though you all know holding out, for any reason is frowned upon and is a rather childish way to do business. I encourage all of you to try this crap where you work.

Send me a postcard from the unemployment line.
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spin it any way you want, this team sucks currently. he has poured blood,sweat and tears into this organization he should be allowed to pursue greener pastures elsewhere because all we have here is a dried up rice field. Why let it become personal and bitter after such a stellar career?

Oh and why not mention the other 9 or 10 seasons of misery that he endured?
I do NOT have any sympathy for a player who signs a contract that he later regrets. If you don't want to play, then retire. If you just want to get a new contract, then work your bottom off and don't become a distraction.
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The bold is where I think you keep saying incorrectly that he is using some "special privilege" other players do not have. All the vets can do the same thing he is doing but chose not to. None is an 11 year with individual stats that he has. They chose to show he did not.

Any worker can decide to not show for work and experienced the consequences which would be different for many. That is what he is doing. He did not create the consequences; the players union and the owners created the consequences. His choice does not make him wrong, it just means some disagree or like me wish he had chosen differently.

I also think you are wrong if you think some employees do not get treated differently than coworkers if they are demonstrably better than those coworkers.
While the bolded is true, most employers would not put up with it and would fire the employee unless they were essential and in that case, they would immediately begin finding a replacement so it they wouldn't be placed in that position again.

This is out of character for him and I suspect the wrong guy has his ear right now. Family can make you do foolish things.
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I'm not really attached to any of these guys.
I'm very attached emotionally to Earl and Bum (may he rest in peace) because they were from HERE! Earl played a my parents' high school, (Tyler-John Tyler) where I first saw him play and Bum shared a back fence in Orange with a close personal friend. I'm also friends with his ex son-in-law.

Akeem I was connected too, but not Hakeem. That is someone totally different in my opinion.
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