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Old 06-15-2014   #1061
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No, you've gone full on delusional as proven by:



You sound like a 2 year old girl screaming her life has been ruined because the cake shop put pink instead of fuchsia sprinkles on her birthday cupcakes.

Fine, it's less than ideal, but the sky is not falling.
That's your opinion, but that's all it is. I never said the sky was falling. I said Dre is not setting a good example for young players or kids that admire him, but just go ahead and ignore that part and put words in my mouth about pink and fuchsia sprinkles.

Comparing AJ to a deserter is a perfect analogy. He has deserted his teammates because they took his pictures down and he doesn't want to go through another rebuild. Pooooor baby. Stop defending him and call a spade a spade.

You sound like a 2 year old transgender child who is having difficulty with his/her hormones today and can't decide whether to sit or stand to urinate.
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Do you really think players would voice their displeasure of Johnson not being in camp? Would someone risk the wrath of the HC who has clearly imposed a "Keep your mouth shut" mentality? I think not. The distraction comes not from the "Minor Consequences" that the league might impose, but rather from what is bouncing around in players heads while they are soaking from a hard days work that their supposed teammate is skipping because he he does not like the direction the team is going even though he does not know the direction it is going because he is not there to see it. That does not scream team player no matter how you slice it.

For you to try to pretend that this is not a setback and a distraction for the team is absurd. Either asked to be traded or get to work. All of this poor Andre crap is nonsense. No player is guaranteed playoffs or championships. Plenty of players better than AJ have never sniffed a SB, yet they reported to work the next year without needing to ponder their poor millionaire life before being able to go on.

It Must be so hard for Dre to get out of bed each day knowing the shame and hardship he faces from being a Texan.

Andre is fast approaching Bowe Bergdahl status in my eyes, and who wants someone like that on their team? Someone who bails out when things get tough. You can try to romanticize this all you want, it boils down to a player who is being selfish and is no longer a team player. This is not a good example for his teammates, or more importantly all of the young kids who look up to this guy. So it is not about what I want him to do, it's about living up to your contract, and more importantly the role model he has become for millions of kids.

Did Dan Marino, or Barry Sanders ever behave this way? This is T.O., or Ochocinco kind of behavior. This is simply about his personal feelings, and as much as I used to respect Dre, I find his current behavior disgusting! Not that he will lose any sleep over it, but any respect and good will I ever had for the man will be gone if he continues this behavior.
Dude what a rant and comparing Andre to a possible deserter is way over board. Where do you get that I am romanticize anything? You are putting words into my mouth just as you put "thoughts" into players' heads. What is wrong with a player taking care of himself? We always hear "This is a business" from management and if a player does anything in a business manner he is selfish? I want AJ in camp but it is his right to do as he is and he will face consequences. Yo have the right to handle your job the way you wish but do NOT have right to tell others how to handle their jobs.

You are acting like a child having a temper tantrum.
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You are acting like a child...
Welp, that seals it...

We're going to have to kill Andre before we all turn back into kids.
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I would absolutely LOVE it if we start the season 3-0 with andre on the bench.
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The 'what have you done for me lately' way of thought is cringe worthy. Dre has broken his body down for this team. He was paid handsomely, but maybe having the opportunity to play in important games means more to him than money. 2 winning seasons in his career. 2 playoff games. Sad. He was always the first vet into camps, ota's whatever the team wanted and now since he has a year or two left and he doesn't want to waste it on a sucky team he is a villain?
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The 'what have you done for me lately' way of thought is cringe worthy. Dre has broken his body down for this team. He was paid handsomely, but maybe having the opportunity to play in important games means more to him than money. 2 winning seasons in his career. 2 playoff games. Sad. He was always the first vet into camps, ota's whatever the team wanted and now since he has a year or two left and he doesn't want to waste it on a sucky team he is a villain?
3 winning seasons in the last 5. Two significant playoff runs in the last three years... Of course, he was barely involved in 2011 due to injury. If the winning years happened early in his career his frustration would be more understandable. However, they had two very successful seasons prior to last year's disaster. As a player frustrated with losing, I would think he would be very supportive of the organizational changes after the 2013 disappointment.
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As Texans receiver Andre Johnson continues to be sufficiently unhappy with the team to not show up for offseason workouts, the Texans continue to show no inclination to give him what he wants — a new home.

But Johnson remains dug in. With potential fines for skipping mandatory minicamp at only $70,000, it’s a no-brainer he won’t be there; Johnson already has blown a $1 million roster bonus by not attending offseason workouts.

The stakes will get a lot higher come training camp, when Johnson faces fines in the amount of $30,000 along with partial forfeiture of bonus money previously paid. And if he ultimately doesn’t play in 2014, Johnson will pass on a base salary of $10 million.

Unless the Texans decide to trade Johnson, the options become play for Houston or play for no one, retiring from the game (with the option of unretiring a la Carson Palmer if/when he’s finally traded).

While Johnson doesn’t have much leverage, retirement can be a powerful tool. If he convinces the Texans he’ll truly not play if his only option is to play for the Texans, the Texans would be wise to get what they can and move on.

There’s chatter regarding teams potentially clearing cap space to absorb the Johnson contract, and other teams definitely would be interested in the soon-to-be 33-year-old receiver, if he were available.

For now, he’s not. If he keeps not showing up for the Texans he eventually may be, even though they’ve done absolutely nothing to prepare for life without him.

The fact that the Texans didn’t make a post-Andre plan suggests that they badly misread the situation, which first emerged last November when he said “I’m under contract so I have to play my contract out” after getting into a little bit of a verbal squabble with Matt Schaub and leaving the field before the team’s then-latest loss. The team surely assumed that, even if he huffs and puffs, Johnson wouldn’t walk away from $10 million in 2014.

At least for now, he’s doing a very good job of creating the impression that he will.
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3 winning seasons in the last 5. Two significant playoff runs in the last three years... Of course, he was barely involved in 2011 due to injury. If the winning years happened early in his career his frustration would be more understandable. However, they had two very successful seasons prior to last year's disaster. As a player frustrated with losing, I would think he would be very supportive of the organizational changes after the 2013 disappointment.

spin it any way you want, this team sucks currently. he has poured blood,sweat and tears into this organization he should be allowed to pursue greener pastures elsewhere because all we have here is a dried up rice field. Why let it become personal and bitter after such a stellar career?

Oh and why not mention the other 9 or 10 seasons of misery that he endured?
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The "Texans have done nothing to prepare for no AJ" line is getting tired.

They spent a first rounder a year ago no doubt with an eye towards "life after AJ."

Besides passing on Clowney to reach for (?) I'm not sure what more they could have done that result in finding a new prospective number 1 WR than Hopkins...
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And I do find myself wondering, who would trade for him AND would make AJ happy to play there.

I dont see alot of teams at the crossroads of contender/plenty of cap space/need a WR.

Maybe the Bengals come closest?
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Seahawks,Niners and Ravens could all use a WR of his caliber.
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The article above said he has missed a roster bonus but I thought that was for the final roster? Can someone clarify?
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Not having Matt Schaub for OTAs helped Tj Yates a bit before the 2011 season.
Your statement seems to be indicating that Dre stating away is good for the team. I could pick that statement apart, but I'm not going to.

I am curious though...
Did Schaub stay completely away from ota's?

Was he hurt, but still there? I don't remember.

But really, it doesn't matter. Completely different situations.
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Wanna know what I think?

I thought you did.

I think AJ wants to go to the Ravens where he can play for his former coach and have an easy ride. He might expect to influence a trade to Baltimore, to get cut and join them, or to retire and sign with them a year later.
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Seahawks,Niners and Ravens could all use a WR of his caliber.
The sites I'm looking at suggest the Niners and Ravens are near the cap.

I thought about the Seahawks, but they just won a SB without an elite WR. I'm not sure they'd pay big for one now....
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Yeah, so could the Texans.
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Oh and why not mention the other 9 or 10 seasons of misery that he endured?
To answer your question... I didn't hear him complaining about losing when he signed his 7 year $68 million contract in 2009. Since he signed that contract, they have played in 4 playoff games and won two division titles. Before he signed that deal, in 6 years, they had no playoff appearances. So, yeah, I am not feeling a ton of pity for the guy. He chose to re-sign. I have little doubt the Texans would trade him if he is willing to reduce his contract to make him more appealing to potential trading partners. Something tells me, though, that winning isn't that important to him!
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There were no OTAs in 2011 due to the lockout. If you're referring to the 2012 OTAs, when Schaub was rehabbing, I don't see your point. Yates seemed to regress after 2011.
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Dude what a rant and comparing Andre to a possible deserter is way over board. Where do you get that I am romanticize anything? You are putting words into my mouth just as you put "thoughts" into players' heads. What is wrong with a player taking care of himself? We always hear "This is a business" from management and if a player does anything in a business manner he is selfish? I want AJ in camp but it is his right to do as he is and he will face consequences. Yo have the right to handle your job the way you wish but do NOT have right to tell others how to handle their jobs.

You are acting like a child having a temper tantrum.
No matter how you slice it, he is deserting the team. Everyone but him was at OTA's and everyone but him will be at mini camp. How can you compare it to anything else?

What is wrong with him taking care of himself? This is a team sport, and Dre has been all about the team up until this point, and now suddenly he can't take it anymore? Nonsense. Should the rest of the players just take care of themselves also, or is this just something Dre has a right to do? If all of the rest of the players behaved like this what kind of a team would we have?

I am not telling anyone how to do their job. I am just another voice on a MB, and like it or not I am entitled to my opinion, and just because you do not agree with it does not mean I am acting like a child. That is just an ad hominem attack.

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The 'what have you done for me lately' way of thought is cringe worthy. Dre has broken his body down for this team. He was paid handsomely, but maybe having the opportunity to play in important games means more to him than money. 2 winning seasons in his career. 2 playoff games. Sad. He was always the first vet into camps, ota's whatever the team wanted and now since he has a year or two left and he doesn't want to waste it on a sucky team he is a villain?
Dre is not entitled to play in important games. No player is. Nobody promised that to him, nor could they. He has had plenty of chances to leave for greener pastures but he didn't so it's a little late now to cry foul.

There is no "Sucky Team" clause in his contract that I know of. and if he really wanted out he should have made that clear at the end of last season and asked for a trade instead of waiting until OTA's to start whining.

Yeah he as broken down his body to play for the Texans, but he was highly paid to do so, and he kept coming back for more so I don't want to hear that excuse. This behavior is not becoming of someone of his character. I believe if he was really tired of the losing he would have demanded a trade at the very least in the off season.

This whole thing with saying those things on video were designed to put pressure on the organization. What other reason would he have to tell anyone that on camera? Something smells here, and it's not the fish.
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No matter how you slice it, he is deserting the team. Everyone but him was at OTA's and everyone but him will be at mini camp. How can you compare it to anything else?

What is wrong with him taking care of himself? This is a team sport, and Dre has been all about the team up until this point, and now suddenly he can't take it anymore? Nonsense. Should the rest of the players just take care of themselves also, or is this just something Dre has a right to do? If all of the rest of the players behaved like this what kind of a team would we have?

I am not telling anyone how to do their job. I am just another voice on a MB, and like it or not I am entitled to my opinion, and just because you do not agree with it does not mean I am acting like a child. That is just an ad hominem attack.




Dre is not entitled to play in important games. No player is. Nobody promised that to him, nor could they. He has had plenty of chances to leave for greener pastures but he didn't so it's a little late now to cry foul.

There is no "Sucky Team" clause in his contract that I know of. and if he really wanted out he should have made that clear at the end of last season and asked for a trade instead of waiting until OTA's to start whining.

Yeah he as broken down his body to play for the Texans, but he was highly paid to do so, and he kept coming back for more so I don't want to hear that excuse. This behavior is not becoming of someone of his character. I believe if he was really tired of the losing he would have demanded a trade at the very least in the off season.

This whole thing with saying those things on video were designed to put pressure on the organization. What other reason would he have to tell anyone that on camera? Something smells here, and it's not the fish.

So Dre is the first player to use these tactics in order to get satisfaction? Its pretty common. Talk of desertion and obligations are a bit strong IMO. When you have tenure within a company you are entitled to certain things that's just the way things go contract or no contract.

Obviously the team owe's him nothing, 'true' fans owe him nothing, but I can only speak for myself when I say that I feel he has earned the right to compete for a championship, he's earned his stripes here, and this team isn't going to contend anytime soon. He's bit his tongue and toe'd(sp) the company line all this time being an exemplary employee and now that he wants his release the team will hold him hostage? Real weak.

All the talk about him 'being paid millions' screams of envious minds and 'what could have beens' for most of the people who post here. Anyone of you could have put in the hours working out, getting faster, learning the game etc... etc... but you didn't, I didn't. Instead we are managers, machininsts cooks or bus drivers, and so is life, no complaints from me. I'm a fan of the team, I grow attached to certain players and I wish them all the best, sue me.

Hopefully Dre retires I wouldn't risk more injuries on a rebuild.
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