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Old 06-14-2014   #1041
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???I've posted my feelings on the effect on QB/WR prep/timing/chemistry, and the potential negative effects on trying to incorporate a new offensive scheme without a major piece.........specifically since he is slated as the #1 WR on the team.
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???I've posted my feelings on the effect on QB/WR prep/timing/chemistry, and the potential negative effects on trying to incorporate a new offensive scheme without a major piece.........specifically since he is slated as the #1 WR on the team.
Which is really a bit of a misnomer. The playbook doesn't have WR1, WR2, or WR3 in any of the plays. Typically it's X, Y, or Z... generally speaking, the #1 WR is usually the guy who produced the most at the end of the season.

For the most part, it doesn't matter who is running those routes right now. By the time the season starts, the coach may change it all up, preferring to use one as the X more than the others, or the Z, or whatever.

But just like there's a lot of film on Fitzpatrick that the coaches "know" what they can & can't do with him, there's plenty of film on Andre & the coaches should have an idea how they're going to use him. & we've still got mini-camp & training camp to work out the details.
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Which is really a bit of a misnomer. The playbook doesn't have WR1, WR2, or WR3 in any of the plays. Typically it's X, Y, or Z... generally speaking, the #1 WR is usually the guy who produced the most at the end of the season.

For the most part, it doesn't matter who is running those routes right now. By the time the season starts, the coach may change it all up, preferring to use one as the X more than the others, or the Z, or whatever.

But just like there's a lot of film on Fitzpatrick that the coaches "know" what they can & can't do with him, there's plenty of film on Andre & the coaches should have an idea how they're going to use him. & we've still got mini-camp & training camp to work out the details.
You really believe this? Or are you just being contrary?

AJ is and has always been a WR1.
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Which is really a bit of a misnomer. The playbook doesn't have WR1, WR2, or WR3 in any of the plays. Typically it's X, Y, or Z... generally speaking, the #1 WR is usually the guy who produced the most at the end of the season.

For the most part, it doesn't matter who is running those routes right now. By the time the season starts, the coach may change it all up, preferring to use one as the X more than the others, or the Z, or whatever.

But just like there's a lot of film on Fitzpatrick that the coaches "know" what they can & can't do with him, there's plenty of film on Andre & the coaches should have an idea how they're going to use him. & we've still got mini-camp & training camp to work out the details.

I hear what you're saying, but Andre being there would be a good thing. It'd help.

If the coaches could just look at film and see what they can do with guys, then lots of players could just stay away. Coaches could just use this time to watch film and conceptualize.

Everyone else is there for a reason. It's to get reps, get to know the system, your new teammates, your new coaches.

I don't know how much of a negative effect this'll ultimately have, but I know one thing....it sure isn't helping.

Regarding wr1. Andre is wr1 until proven otherwise.
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???I've posted my feelings on the effect on QB/WR prep/timing/chemistry, and the potential negative effects on trying to incorporate a new offensive scheme without a major piece.........specifically since he is slated as the #1 WR on the team.
Establish chemistry and timing with WHO??
Four different guys?!
Ridiculous.
Pick a damn starter O'Brien.
And I've not seen a single word that says O'Brien thinks Andre' is a "major piece".
Think about it, under the "Patriot way" Tom Brady has only had one or two top tier WRs in his N.E. 13-yr career. And the two they had, they let walk.
Wes Welker? Don't need him. We can get Danny Amendola cheaper.
Randy Moss? cut him. We don't need him.
Andre Johnson? The "Patriot way" says he just another WR.
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You really believe this? Or are you just being contrary?

AJ is and has always been a WR1.
Not being contrary... just trying to tame some of the, "Andre's not here, the sky is falling." talk. Like ObsiWan said, he'd have four QBs throwing him the ball. This is OTAs, not camp. Not the preseason.

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I don't know how much of a negative effect this'll ultimately have, but I know one thing....it sure isn't helping.

Regarding wr1. Andre is wr1 until proven otherwise.
Not having Matt Schaub for OTAs helped Tj Yates a bit before the 2011 season.
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I have not heard of one player being distracted. It sounds like AJ is not doing what you want him to and you are distracted. His contract (thru the CBA) allows him to do exactly what he is doing with only minor consequences. I think if NFL owners were really upset with behavior of players like AJ holding out or not showing or whatever, the consequences would be more severe. His actions are not immoral, criminal or evil. He is doing what he thinks is best for him under the rules.
Do you really think players would voice their displeasure of Johnson not being in camp? Would someone risk the wrath of the HC who has clearly imposed a "Keep your mouth shut" mentality? I think not. The distraction comes not from the "Minor Consequences" that the league might impose, but rather from what is bouncing around in players heads while they are soaking from a hard days work that their supposed teammate is skipping because he he does not like the direction the team is going even though he does not know the direction it is going because he is not there to see it. That does not scream team player no matter how you slice it.

For you to try to pretend that this is not a setback and a distraction for the team is absurd. Either asked to be traded or get to work. All of this poor Andre crap is nonsense. No player is guaranteed playoffs or championships. Plenty of players better than AJ have never sniffed a SB, yet they reported to work the next year without needing to ponder their poor millionaire life before being able to go on.

It Must be so hard for Dre to get out of bed each day knowing the shame and hardship he faces from being a Texan.

Andre is fast approaching Bowe Bergdahl status in my eyes, and who wants someone like that on their team? Someone who bails out when things get tough. You can try to romanticize this all you want, it boils down to a player who is being selfish and is no longer a team player. This is not a good example for his teammates, or more importantly all of the young kids who look up to this guy. So it is not about what I want him to do, it's about living up to your contract, and more importantly the role model he has become for millions of kids.

Did Dan Marino, or Barry Sanders ever behave this way? This is T.O., or Ochocinco kind of behavior. This is simply about his personal feelings, and as much as I used to respect Dre, I find his current behavior disgusting! Not that he will lose any sleep over it, but any respect and good will I ever had for the man will be gone if he continues this behavior.
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blah, blah, blah

For you to try to pretend that this is not a setback and a distraction for the team is absurd.
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You sound like a 2 year old girl screaming her life has been ruined because the cake shop put pink instead of fuchsia sprinkles on her birthday cupcakes.

Fine, it's less than ideal, but the sky is not falling.
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What did you think about his first four years in the league when he didn't come to OTAs & worked out in Miami instead?

This is no different, he has no obligation whatsoever to be here... until next week.
He said he wont be here for Mandatory also. That's what i'm going off of.

PLUS in my defense i drink maybe 1 time a year and i was really ****ed up when i typed that, hell i dont even remember writing it, but i still partially agree with my drunken self, and must give myself credit for spelling also.
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Establish chemistry and timing with WHO??
Four different guys?!
Ridiculous.
Pick a damn starter O'Brien.
And I've not seen a single word that says O'Brien thinks Andre' is a "major piece".
Think about it, under the "Patriot way" Tom Brady has only had one or two top tier WRs in his N.E. 13-yr career. And the two they had, they let walk.
Wes Welker? Don't need him. We can get Danny Amendola cheaper.
Randy Moss? cut him. We don't need him.
Andre Johnson? The "Patriot way" says he just another WR.
Those (Welker/Moss) WRs you named both always routinely attended OTAs when they were part of the team. Heck, Welker was recovering from ACL surgery in 2010, but felt it important enough to participate (which included helping out the other WRs), even though he was only 4 months out of surgery and still wearing a heavy brace.



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The New England Patriots started their OTAs today as the players (in shorts and helmets) start to go through their first organized team workouts for the 2012 season.

While teams have been doing off-season workouts together these are the first real teaching points for the Patriots’ coaching staff and the team can start back again with the basics. While most casual fans breathe a selective cry of “so what?” the answer to if these workouts are important lies within a few important points.

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This is a very important aspect of any organization not just a professional NFL team. The Patriots have brought in many new free agents, draftees and unsigned rookie free agents. These initial practices are invaluable in showing the new guys how the Patriots conduct business. Everything from team meetings, how practices are conducted, what’s expected of veterans and rookies is spelled out early in the process.

Make no mistake, the Patriots and Bill Belichick value this very highly and this is where it all starts. Building team camaraderie and character begins today…now. Veterans will be looked upon as teachers as well as competitors and with so many coaches switching positions, this time will be invaluable to them to adjust to their new surroundings and different players.
And as far as OB not commenting on AJ being a "major piece," all I can say is that he has made all attempts to avoid the subject. Remember when asked about some players, he said we will only speak about the players on the field. The sky is certainly far from falling, but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Establish chemistry and timing with WHO??
Four different guys?!
Ridiculous.
Pick a damn starter O'Brien.
And I've not seen a single word that says O'Brien thinks Andre' is a "major piece".
Think about it, under the "Patriot way" Tom Brady has only had one or two top tier WRs in his N.E. 13-yr career. And the two they had, they let walk.
Wes Welker? Don't need him. We can get Danny Amendola cheaper.
Randy Moss? cut him. We don't need him.
Andre Johnson? The "Patriot way" says he just another WR.
I agree he needs to pick a starter at QB, but the beginning of training camp should work.

I'm not concerned he didn't name one in OTA's.
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No, you've gone full on delusional as proven by:



You sound like a 2 year old girl screaming her life has been ruined because the cake shop put pink instead of fuchsia sprinkles on her birthday cupcakes.

Fine, it's less than ideal, but the sky is not falling.
That's your opinion, but that's all it is. I never said the sky was falling. I said Dre is not setting a good example for young players or kids that admire him, but just go ahead and ignore that part and put words in my mouth about pink and fuchsia sprinkles.

Comparing AJ to a deserter is a perfect analogy. He has deserted his teammates because they took his pictures down and he doesn't want to go through another rebuild. Pooooor baby. Stop defending him and call a spade a spade.

You sound like a 2 year old transgender child who is having difficulty with his/her hormones today and can't decide whether to sit or stand to urinate.
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Do you really think players would voice their displeasure of Johnson not being in camp? Would someone risk the wrath of the HC who has clearly imposed a "Keep your mouth shut" mentality? I think not. The distraction comes not from the "Minor Consequences" that the league might impose, but rather from what is bouncing around in players heads while they are soaking from a hard days work that their supposed teammate is skipping because he he does not like the direction the team is going even though he does not know the direction it is going because he is not there to see it. That does not scream team player no matter how you slice it.

For you to try to pretend that this is not a setback and a distraction for the team is absurd. Either asked to be traded or get to work. All of this poor Andre crap is nonsense. No player is guaranteed playoffs or championships. Plenty of players better than AJ have never sniffed a SB, yet they reported to work the next year without needing to ponder their poor millionaire life before being able to go on.

It Must be so hard for Dre to get out of bed each day knowing the shame and hardship he faces from being a Texan.

Andre is fast approaching Bowe Bergdahl status in my eyes, and who wants someone like that on their team? Someone who bails out when things get tough. You can try to romanticize this all you want, it boils down to a player who is being selfish and is no longer a team player. This is not a good example for his teammates, or more importantly all of the young kids who look up to this guy. So it is not about what I want him to do, it's about living up to your contract, and more importantly the role model he has become for millions of kids.

Did Dan Marino, or Barry Sanders ever behave this way? This is T.O., or Ochocinco kind of behavior. This is simply about his personal feelings, and as much as I used to respect Dre, I find his current behavior disgusting! Not that he will lose any sleep over it, but any respect and good will I ever had for the man will be gone if he continues this behavior.
Dude what a rant and comparing Andre to a possible deserter is way over board. Where do you get that I am romanticize anything? You are putting words into my mouth just as you put "thoughts" into players' heads. What is wrong with a player taking care of himself? We always hear "This is a business" from management and if a player does anything in a business manner he is selfish? I want AJ in camp but it is his right to do as he is and he will face consequences. Yo have the right to handle your job the way you wish but do NOT have right to tell others how to handle their jobs.

You are acting like a child having a temper tantrum.
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Welp, that seals it...

We're going to have to kill Andre before we all turn back into kids.
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I would absolutely LOVE it if we start the season 3-0 with andre on the bench.
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The 'what have you done for me lately' way of thought is cringe worthy. Dre has broken his body down for this team. He was paid handsomely, but maybe having the opportunity to play in important games means more to him than money. 2 winning seasons in his career. 2 playoff games. Sad. He was always the first vet into camps, ota's whatever the team wanted and now since he has a year or two left and he doesn't want to waste it on a sucky team he is a villain?
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The 'what have you done for me lately' way of thought is cringe worthy. Dre has broken his body down for this team. He was paid handsomely, but maybe having the opportunity to play in important games means more to him than money. 2 winning seasons in his career. 2 playoff games. Sad. He was always the first vet into camps, ota's whatever the team wanted and now since he has a year or two left and he doesn't want to waste it on a sucky team he is a villain?
3 winning seasons in the last 5. Two significant playoff runs in the last three years... Of course, he was barely involved in 2011 due to injury. If the winning years happened early in his career his frustration would be more understandable. However, they had two very successful seasons prior to last year's disaster. As a player frustrated with losing, I would think he would be very supportive of the organizational changes after the 2013 disappointment.
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As Texans receiver Andre Johnson continues to be sufficiently unhappy with the team to not show up for offseason workouts, the Texans continue to show no inclination to give him what he wants — a new home.

But Johnson remains dug in. With potential fines for skipping mandatory minicamp at only $70,000, it’s a no-brainer he won’t be there; Johnson already has blown a $1 million roster bonus by not attending offseason workouts.

The stakes will get a lot higher come training camp, when Johnson faces fines in the amount of $30,000 along with partial forfeiture of bonus money previously paid. And if he ultimately doesn’t play in 2014, Johnson will pass on a base salary of $10 million.

Unless the Texans decide to trade Johnson, the options become play for Houston or play for no one, retiring from the game (with the option of unretiring a la Carson Palmer if/when he’s finally traded).

While Johnson doesn’t have much leverage, retirement can be a powerful tool. If he convinces the Texans he’ll truly not play if his only option is to play for the Texans, the Texans would be wise to get what they can and move on.

There’s chatter regarding teams potentially clearing cap space to absorb the Johnson contract, and other teams definitely would be interested in the soon-to-be 33-year-old receiver, if he were available.

For now, he’s not. If he keeps not showing up for the Texans he eventually may be, even though they’ve done absolutely nothing to prepare for life without him.

The fact that the Texans didn’t make a post-Andre plan suggests that they badly misread the situation, which first emerged last November when he said “I’m under contract so I have to play my contract out” after getting into a little bit of a verbal squabble with Matt Schaub and leaving the field before the team’s then-latest loss. The team surely assumed that, even if he huffs and puffs, Johnson wouldn’t walk away from $10 million in 2014.

At least for now, he’s doing a very good job of creating the impression that he will.
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3 winning seasons in the last 5. Two significant playoff runs in the last three years... Of course, he was barely involved in 2011 due to injury. If the winning years happened early in his career his frustration would be more understandable. However, they had two very successful seasons prior to last year's disaster. As a player frustrated with losing, I would think he would be very supportive of the organizational changes after the 2013 disappointment.

spin it any way you want, this team sucks currently. he has poured blood,sweat and tears into this organization he should be allowed to pursue greener pastures elsewhere because all we have here is a dried up rice field. Why let it become personal and bitter after such a stellar career?

Oh and why not mention the other 9 or 10 seasons of misery that he endured?
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The "Texans have done nothing to prepare for no AJ" line is getting tired.

They spent a first rounder a year ago no doubt with an eye towards "life after AJ."

Besides passing on Clowney to reach for (?) I'm not sure what more they could have done that result in finding a new prospective number 1 WR than Hopkins...
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