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Old 06-04-2014   #981
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Travis Johnson was on some show a week ago, said he thinks the Texans are going to ask Andre to restructure, which Andre "definitely" won't do. Tj thinks somehow that makes it easier for the Texans to cut Andre next season.

I think Andre would want to restructure his contract. A signing bonus prorated over the next three/four years would make the Texans less likely to cut Andre.

& less likely to trade him.
I hope I'm wrong. But I'm afraid that behind the curtain, with the increased passing of time, there is bad blood developing on the part of both sides.
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I hope I'm wrong. But I'm afraid that behind the curtain, with the increased passing of time, there is bad blood developing on the part of both sides.
Agreed, but what do people expect they need to realize Andre is now 33 years old, having some injury history, doesn't take the top off of defenses like he used to do.

Spending 10+ million a year on aging receiver, when the draft is stocked full of up and coming receivers.. Everyone wants to do right by Andre that's fine, but if you want to win and you want to win shortly.. then dumping Andre might be the right thing..

For the team, or for Andre? You are the head coach what do you choose?
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Agreed, but what do people expect they need to realize Andre is now 33 years old, having some injury history, doesn't take the top off of defenses like he used to do.

Spending 10+ million a year on aging receiver, when the draft is stocked full of up and coming receivers.. Everyone wants to do right by Andre that's fine, but if you want to win and you want to win shortly.. then dumping Andre might be the right thing..

For the team, or for Andre? You are the head coach what do you choose?
Just off the top of my head here, but...
If I'm the coach, I concentrate on coaching -up the guys that are showing up. I get them as game ready as possible, and let Andre make or break himself. I stay above the fray, if I can. When the season gets here, if Andre has come into camp, is game ready, and has competed for and won his position, He starts. If he either hasn't shown up for camp, or for any other reason is not game ready, He sits until I, the coach thinks he is game ready. If i'm the coach, I play the folks that are there and that I'm sure are not behind. Period. But then again, I'm no NFL coach with a multi-time pro-bowler who is having difficulty adjusting either...
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illuminti, is that same thing as shiners?


Back on track. my sources says AJ might not show up for OTAs
Back off track...

No, no, no. There's "Modelo Especial", "Modelo Negro", and now "Modelo Illuminti" is coming out this spring.

It's supposed to be like an IPA or something. They say it really will make you smarter and more attractive unlike the first two that just make you think you are. Sadly it's effect on the opposite sex is still an illusion but they're working on it.
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Agreed, but what do people expect they need to realize Andre is now 33 years old, having some injury history, doesn't take the top off of defenses like he used to do.

Spending 10+ million a year on aging receiver, when the draft is stocked full of up and coming receivers.. Everyone wants to do right by Andre that's fine, but if you want to win and you want to win shortly.. then dumping Andre might be the right thing..

For the team, or for Andre? You are the head coach what do you choose?
I think McNair will complete AJ's contract as long as he is playing well. I'm confident McNair wants to start placing jerseys in NRG stadium & AJ should lead that. 1400-1500 yds and an interesting team keeps the $ coming. If they are willing to pay $10m in 2014 his deal only increases a million over '15 & '16 so if his stats/play is good...
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Agreed, but what do people expect they need to realize Andre is now 33 years old, having some injury history, doesn't take the top off of defenses like he used to do.

Spending 10+ million a year on aging receiver, when the draft is stocked full of up and coming receivers.. Everyone wants to do right by Andre that's fine, but if you want to win and you want to win shortly.. then dumping Andre might be the right thing..

For the team, or for Andre? You are the head coach what do you choose?
Great Post

For me the team always comes 1st.
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Ok since i am hearing a lot of BS about what people think should be done with AJ heres my thoughts.

Lets put him on IR move him to the practice squad where wins and losses dont matter. Let him cool off a bit and take it easy and then see if he wants to attend OTAs next off season.

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What good what it do if he does show up in camp? Seriously?

The cat's out of the bag, or the genie's out of the bottle, whatever you want to call it. He has made it clearly known that he doesn't want be here anymore, and he has clearly stated the reasons why. Whether you sympathize with him, or not, is beside the point. Do any of you actually think that if he does show up, his mindset to begin with, is magically going to change? Will that cloud lift?

Some say, "Well, if he doesn't show up for mandatory OTAs, then he will force their hand." Your kidding yourselves if you think the hand hasn't already been forced.
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What good what it do if he does show up in camp? Seriously?

The cat's out of the bag, or the genie's out of the bottle, whatever you want to call it. He has made it clearly known that he doesn't want be here anymore, and he has clearly stated the reasons why. Whether you sympathize with him, or not, is beside the point. Do any of you actually think that if he does show up, his mindset to begin with, is magically going to change? Will that cloud lift?

Some say, "Well, if he doesn't show up for mandatory OTAs, then he will force their hand." Your kidding yourselves if you think the hand hasn't already been forced.
Trade him to the RAIDERS lol..
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The cat's out of the bag, or the genie's out of the bottle, whatever you want to call it. He has made it clearly known that he doesn't want be here anymore, and he has clearly stated the reasons why. Whether you sympathize with him, or not, is beside the point. Do any of you actually think that if he does show up, his mindset to begin with, is magically going to change? Will that cloud lift?
He has not made that clear. He's made it clear that he doesn't want to attend OTAs. According to the words that came out of his mouth, he's working out whether he wants to be here or not.

There's no magic needed for a man to make up his mind.

I see people retire all the time. It's not much different than what I'm seeing from Andre right now. Our company gives them an option to leave at 58 if they meet other criteria with no penalty. Some guys are ready to take it, some guys aren't. Some guys planned not to take it, but something happened that changed their mind, "You know what, I've had enough."

They can ask to be transferred to another department, & depending on what happened, some do. But for such a big change like this, that Andre is facing... many can't bring themselves to subject themselves to what I'm going to be going through for another year.

Sometimes that decision is made in a day, most of the time, over several months. This one guy in particular is 64, he's day to day. Everyday, he changes his mine at least three times. We know one day we're going to show up & he's going to say, "Suk it beyaotches!!!"

But he's still a good guy. Paid his dues. It's a headache for the bosses, I'm sure, but he's earned it.
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Great Post

For me the team always comes 1st.
Are the Texans truly at a point where they must decide between AJ and "the team"?

And as an aging, oft-injured and no longer fast WR, he just put together the second most productive two-year period of his career. He was also one of the reasons that this hot pile of horse poo team last season was able to be within one score at the end of several of the games.

While I expect and respect that fans are getting very emotional about AJ not being at OTA's and for the first time ever not towing the company line, I will continue to challenge the following:

That missing OTA's (a not uncommon practice with veterans) is tantamount to treason on his part and places the entire character and loyalty that he has displayed in his career into question.

That this treasonous act has in the mind of some fans taken him from being a #1 WR for the next few years that put up 109/1,400 last season to now being some over the hill hot garbage.

If a fan doesn't like AJ's actions, or doesn't now like AJ because of his actions, that is their prerogative. This MB is proof of the vast spectrum of opinions about what is going on in the heads of both AJ and the Texans.

But the hyperbole around the impact to the team and his current skill sets is getting ridiculous. IMHO, of course.
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Sometimes that decision is made in a day, most of the time, over several months. This one guy in particular is 64, he's day to day. Everyday, he changes his mine at least three times. We know one day we're going to show up & he's going to say, "Suk it beyaotches!!!"

But he's still a good guy. Paid his dues. It's a headache for the bosses, I'm sure, but he's earned it.
Worked with two guys who were crusty old geologists. They both had "suck it" parameters.

First guy said he held a bucket in each hand, one filled with money and the other filled with crap. When they both got full, he was out of there.

Second guy made a flow chart based on having two bad days in a row. If today was bad day #1, the flow chart said come to work tomorrow. If today was bad day #2, it said to retire.
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Our company gives them an option to leave at 58 if they meet other criteria with no penalty.

58? really? wow
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Are the Texans truly at a point where they must decide between AJ and "the team"?

And as an aging, oft-injured and no longer fast WR, he just put together the second most productive two-year period of his career. He was also one of the reasons that this hot pile of horse poo team last season was able to be within one score at the end of several of the games.

While I expect and respect that fans are getting very emotional about AJ not being at OTA's and for the first time ever not towing the company line, I will continue to challenge the following:

That missing OTA's (a not uncommon practice with veterans) is tantamount to treason on his part and places the entire character and loyalty that he has displayed in his career into question.

That this treasonous act has in the mind of some fans taken him from being a #1 WR for the next few years that put up 109/1,400 last season to now being some over the hill hot garbage.

If a fan doesn't like AJ's actions, or doesn't now like AJ because of his actions, that is their prerogative. This MB is proof of the vast spectrum of opinions about what is going on in the heads of both AJ and the Texans.

But the hyperbole around the impact to the team and his current skill sets is getting ridiculous. IMHO, of course.
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Historical note - Emmitt Smith held out all the way through the first two games of the 1993 regular season...prior to the Cowboys riding him to a Super Bowl victory in which he was MVP.
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Historical note - Emmitt Smith held out all the way through the first two games of the 1993 regular season...prior to the Cowboys riding him to a Super Bowl victory in which he was MVP.
Different scenario all together. Emmitt was in his prime, and had not got paid what he was worth. AJ is at the end of his career and has already been paid. He needs to man up and get on the field and help bring the young kids along, as well as learn the system. Or ... just come out and ask for a trade.
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Different scenario all together. Emmitt was in his prime, and had not got paid what he was worth. AJ is at the end of his career and has already been paid. He needs to man up and get on the field and help bring the young kids along, as well as learn the system. Or ... just come out and ask for a trade.
And they have different names too. Knew someone would attempt to distinguish on the unimportant parts. The point is the key cog for the team missed all the offseason and into the regular season and it didn't damage the team, he didn't come in out of football shape, he didn't lose his stature or leadership on the team, etc.
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Smith's holdout was at the beginning of his career after 2 amazing yardage years in the prime of his career. I remember it well. Jones refused to recognize Smith as the top-level RB in the NFL and wanted to pay him less than half of what his contract eventually was signed for. The holdout was a matter of what everybody recognized as greed on the part of Jerry, not Smith.

EDIT: And there was no turnover of the coaching staff (J. Johnson) or change of scheme.

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One other very major difference...........AJ is under contract.........Smith was not.......Smith's contract at the time had EXPIRED.

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Training camp came and no Emmit. Preseason was played and Dallas looked terrible without Emmitt. Jones said that the team would be fine. Johnson knew better and insisted that Jones sign Smith before their first game of the season against the hated Washington Redskins on Monday Night Football. Sure enough Dallas was whipped 35-16.

Smith even appeared on the halftime show of that game to discuss why he was not playing. The running back was only trying to be paid as the best running back in the game, not at some second tier player amount as Jerry Jones was offering. In addition, the media portrayed this as a contract dispute. How could this be a contract dispute? Smith's original contract had expired.
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I haven't really taken a side in this Andre thing...Haven't given it much thought...

But from a fan of the Texans standpoint, Andre should be out there. He should be learning the new system, buying in...helping the younger guys...getting some rapport with the QB's...Putting in as much work as possible.

If these OTA's aren't important or if you can miss them and it not mean much, then why is every single other member of the team out there working and getting better? Bonding...learning...gaining familiarity...buying in...building...? Yeah, some players miss OTA's, but a vast majority don't. Some people get lucky and don't catch anything or get pregnant having unprotected sex. Doesn't make it the ideal thing to do.

This is a new staff and from a team perspective Andre needs to be out there. Is it a make or break that he isn't? I don't know, but I know that it would be a positive if he was out there buying in and working with the rest of his teammates.

Now...From Andre's perspective...I get it. I totally get it. I don't need to lay it out...Everyone gets it.

So while I'd like for him to be out there and I think he absolutely SHOULD be out there to help this team get better, I understand his perspective.

There is really no need to justify either side of this debate. It's just one of those life things that is what it is.
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Smith's holdout was at the beginning of his career after 2 amazing yardage years in the prime of his career. I remember it well. Jones refused to recognize Smith as the top-level RB in the NFL and wanted to pay him less than half of what his contract eventually was signed for. The holdout was a matter of what everybody recognized as greed on the part of Jerry, not Smith.

EDIT: And there was no turnover of the coaching staff (J. Johnson) or change of scheme.
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One other very major difference...........AJ is under contract.........Smith was not.......Smith's contract at the time had EXPIRED.

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