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Old 05-29-2014   #281
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What happened to democracy, damn this National Socialism.
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Ummm...don't you mean Constitutional Rebublicism? Democracy ALWAYS leads to either tyranny or anarchy. ALWAYS. Every time.
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Ummm...don't you mean Constitutional Rebublicism? Democracy ALWAYS leads to either tyranny or anarchy. ALWAYS. Every time.
Well it does when the elections are no longer made by the people and instead the leaders are bought by corporations who see benefit in having them in office, all the while the richer are getting richer while the poor get poorer. Just so some smuck can build a house on some little island with money he sent to offshore accounts so he did not have to pay tax on it (which the government allows) that i eventually hope gets blown away while he vacations there by a Hurricane.

Yeah forget that last part..........
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Well it does when the elections are no longer made by the people and instead the leaders are bought by corporations who see benefit in having them in office, all the while the richer are getting richer while the poor get poorer. Just so some smuck can build a house on some little island with money he sent to offshore accounts so he did not have to pay tax on it (which the government allows) that i eventually hope gets blown away while he vacations there by a Hurricane.

Yeah forget that last part..........
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Actually Aikman went scoreless in 6 games his first two years.
He went scoreless in 4 games the next 2 years.
He went scoreless in 3 games his 5th year.
4 games his 6th year
5 games his 7th year
7 games his 8th year.

On the other hand, Keenum did have a rushing TD in one of the games he didn't throw for one.

But what is the big deal with all the numbers?

I had liked for Hopkins to do what he was drafted for.
He could have helped Case by reeling in two TDS in the end zone the way he's supposed to.
And for a guy with such big hands that everybody says he can catch any ball near him, Hopkins dropped too many damn balls.
But he has the tools so he gets a pass.
But did he kill his father? THAT is the question. Mr. Hernandez......................
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... as futile as it looked, with Mr. Keenum under center in the second half, I can't think of any reason for anyone to "root" for Fitzpatrick other than pure Case Hate.
Why root for Fitzpatrick? Because he's the Amish Rifle of course, and he had his own theme song in Buffalo. Would could be better than to have a nickname, AND a theme song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icw1SBn_DcQ

All kidding aside I think many of us may be underestimating Fitzpatrick, and even though I am not thrilled that he is our potential starter, I am willing to see what he plays like before I make judgements. I have seen him play well in Buffalo, and decent games with the Titans, and we all know what he did to the Texans when he was with the Rams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ontS5NnoC0o (I recommend turning the sound off while watching, but you may be into it)

As far as Keenum goes, if he wins the job then great, but I think that will be incredibly hard to do when he is competing with QB's who actually have experience in a pro style offense, as Keenum always seems to revert to his spread offense mentality when pressured. Which is why the other QB's will always have the advantage over him, especially Fitzpatrick since he has been a starter in the league and has a great deal more experience in a pro style offense.

Stop taking sides and lets just let the OTA's and camps play out and see where we are. Whoever wins the job deserves it and deserves for everyone to be behind him not grumbling because their guy did not win the job.
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Why root for Fitzpatrick? Because he's the Amish Rifle of course...
Well yeah, there's that.



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I am willing to see what he plays like before I make judgements.
I've seen him plenty. I laughed when the Titans picked him up. I laughed when they cut him for Whitehurst. I stopped laughing when Rick signed him.

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Stop taking sides and lets just let the OTA's and camps play out and see where we are. Whoever wins the job deserves it and deserves for everyone to be behind him not grumbling because their guy did not win the job.
I agree. My post was pointed at those vehemently taking Fitzpatrick's side.
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I agree. My post was pointed at those vehemently taking Fitzpatrick's side.
My perception of the situation is that the Case love has started reaching VY Fanboi status and others are naturally gravitating toward supporting Fitzie because they are tired of hearing all of the apologetics and excuses for Case.

I doubt a single poster on here is rubbing one out over the possibility of The Amish Rifle being the Game 1 starter. No one.
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My perception of the situation is that the Case love has started reaching VY Fanboi status and others are naturally gravitating toward supporting Fitzie because they are tired of hearing all of the apologetics and excuses for Case.

I doubt a single poster on here is rubbing one out over the possibility of The Amish Rifle being the Game 1 starter. No one.
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I had liked for Hopkins to do what he was drafted for.
He could have helped Case by reeling in two TDS in the end zone the way he's supposed to.
And for a guy with such big hands that everybody says he can catch any ball near him, Hopkins dropped too many damn balls.
But he has the tools so he gets a pass.
Hopkins dropping too many balls? This is the first I've heard of that. PFF has him rated as second best in the league last year behind only Larry Fitzgerald.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...drop-rate-wrs/
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My perception of the situation is that the Case love has started reaching VY Fanboi status and others are naturally gravitating toward supporting Fitzie because they are tired of hearing all of the apologetics and excuses for Case.

I doubt a single poster on here is rubbing one out over the possibility of The Amish Rifle being the Game 1 starter. No one.
This guy gets it...Nobody's rooting for Fitzpatrick to start...we just know what Fitzpatrick is. More importantly he knows what he is and how he likely will fit into this team's long term plans...a stop gap guy for the short term...possibly an experienced back up long term. That same role seems to be earmarked for Case as well...but b/c he's got a few pretty stats, folks in here don't want to accept that.

They say if we could just do this to the team and get better here and there he could be better. & in doing this they don't realize that not only is this the same train of thought we unsuccessfully followed with Schaub, but also everything they think would help to improve Case's play would also help every other qb on the roster too. & when you put the pros and cons up for why each guy should start over the others, Case's resume can't compete with any of the other guys with experience.....& he only slots above Savage b/c of the little experience he does have.

I mean it's a very real possibility we still won't have any more of an idea of what he is after another 10 games b/c we're in rebuild mode with a new offense in which case the overall process has likely set his potential growth back another year....if he hasn't already peaked to begin with. I'd hate to trudge through another year watching him and this team getting rolled only to reach the end and still not know much more about Case's potential than we do now....Or worse, he puts up overall mediocore numbers and we delay seeing what Savage is or hold off drafting a potential franchise guy b/c we can "fix" everything else around him to make him better.

It's about time the team got them a stud and started looking for 1. Savage & a few guys coming out next year have that potential...Case doesn't.
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Hopkins dropping too many balls? This is the first I've heard of that. PFF has him rated as second best in the league last year behind only Larry Fitzgerald.

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Shhhh. Facts don't belong here! This is the off-season and we're talking about Case Keenum man.

He doesn't deserve the chance he's getting because he is destined to be the best QB to ever play the game!

Guys, he's getting an even chance along with everyone else. What do you Keenum lovers want besides him being gifted the starting job? If he's as good as you guys think he'll win it.
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My perception of the situation is that the Case love has started reaching VY Fanboi status and others are naturally gravitating toward supporting Fitzie because they are tired of hearing all of the apologetics and excuses for Case.

I doubt a single poster on here is rubbing one out over the possibility of The Amish Rifle being the Game 1 starter. No one.
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Hopkins dropping too many balls? This is the first I've heard of that. PFF has him rated as second best in the league last year behind only Larry Fitzgerald.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...drop-rate-wrs/
And that should tell you a little something about "I watched every play, did you" superiority fanaticism. Watching film is great IF you don't have an agenda.
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My perception of the situation is that the Case love has started reaching VY Fanboi status and others are naturally gravitating toward supporting Fitzie because they are tired of hearing all of the apologetics and excuses for Case.

I doubt a single poster on here is rubbing one out over the possibility of The Amish Rifle being the Game 1 starter. No one.
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I look at our draft and what we currently have on our roster and get a tad bit optimistic....But, then I get to the QB position and the optimism is quickly neutered.
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This guy gets it...Nobody's rooting for Fitzpatrick to start...we just know what Fitzpatrick is. More importantly he knows what he is and how he likely will fit into this team's long term plans...a stop gap guy for the short term...
So why even start him? He's a 31 year old back up. Unless we're expecting him to be the next Rich Gannon (which wouldn't be bad thing). But if we know he's not going to be anything special, I don't get why we want to put him out there. He is what he is & frankly that is not good enough. We know it's not good enough.

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They say if we could just do this to the team and get better here and there he could be better. & in doing this they don't realize that not only is this the same train of thought we unsuccessfully followed with Schaub, but also everything they think would help to improve Case's play would also help every other qb on the roster too. & when you put the pros and cons up for why each guy should start over the others, Case's resume can't compete with any of the other guys with experience.....& he only slots above Savage b/c of the little experience he does have.
Well, like you said, the 31 year old is what he is. A back up. I like Tj, but the last game I saw him really play, he was tossing the ball up for Ed Reed to go get it. Last year's game against St. Louis, pretty much ended the same way. If OB can teach him to make better decisions, it would make more sense to me to start Tj.

Keenum, the only problem I've got with him is not knowing the situation & knowing when he can/should extend a play & when he can/should throw it away, or take a sack. I don't recall ever thinking, "Why did he throw that there?"


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I mean it's a very real possibility we still won't have any more of an idea of what he is after another 10 games...
& we definitely won't know if Fitzpatrick is the starter. Personally, I don't care if it's Tj or Case.

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I'd hate to trudge through another year watching him and this team getting rolled only to reach the end and still not know much more about Case's potential than we do now....
Definitely won't know anything more about his potential if he's on the bench.

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Or worse, he puts up overall mediocore numbers and we delay seeing what Savage is or hold off drafting a potential franchise guy b/c we can "fix" everything else around him to make him better.
Kinda like Stafford, Ryan, Bradford, Newton, Flacco, Rivers.... everybody but Brady, Peyton, & obviously Luck? It's a team game, whether Case is starting or not.

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It's about time the team got them a stud and started looking for 1. Savage & a few guys coming out next year have that potential...Case doesn't.
See... I think "people" want Fitzpatrick to start because he is not a threat to our "future" QB. Whether we're winning or not, we're going to continue to look for a "future" QB.

If Case is winning, not so much. & regardless how well Case plays, that' just not good enough. If he sucks, fine, we'll toss him & move on. But if we're 10-6 and 1 & done in the play offs... we're going to pass on a first round QB. & some people are just not good with that.

It's like some people think we'd be better off as a franchise if we miss the play offs in 2014 & draft a QB than if Case Keenum (or Tj Yates for that matter) gets us to the AFC Championship game.
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First of, let me apologize to Mr. Hopkins for saying that he dropped a few too many balls that I would have liked (just like I had apologized to Antonio Smith before. )

Once in a while I can get frustrated and say something before I really verify all the infos.
In this case, on the drops.
Let me rephrase that.

It is never my style to purposely aggravate people.
It is never my style to try to feel superior; I've professed many times that I don't have a superiority complex nor an inferiority complex.
I feel peace within myself for the most part that when I screw up, I will admit it.

(Where on the scale, it's not for for me to judge. I try not to judge people.)

On the other hand, I'm always interested in putting things out there so that everybody can ask questions and have their own says.
This is how I think we learn from each other, by exchanging ideas.
So what that I watched a play a hundred times or more when some may only watch it ten times.
Did I ever claim that my conclusion on a particular play is gospel?

But it is a fact that I did watch plays a lot of time.

I like to make an effort to discuss about each play so that each person can come to their own conclusion on that particular play.

For some, they might not need to watch a play a hundred times.
There are plenty of people who are smarter than I.
I welcome their input on any play so I may learn something or see a different view point.
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Definitely won't know anything more about his potential if he's on the bench.



Kinda like Stafford, Ryan, Bradford, Newton, Flacco, Rivers.... everybody but Brady, Peyton, & obviously Luck? It's a team game, whether Case is starting or not.



See... I think "people" want Fitzpatrick to start because he is not a threat to our "future" QB. Whether we're winning or not, we're going to continue to look for a "future" QB.

If Case is winning, not so much. & regardless how well Case plays, that' just not good enough. If he sucks, fine, we'll toss him & move on. But if we're 10-6 and 1 & done in the play offs... we're going to pass on a first round QB. & some people are just not good with that.

It's like some people think we'd be better off as a franchise if we miss the play offs in 2014 & draft a QB than if Case Keenum (or Tj Yates for that matter) gets us to the AFC Championship game.
If CK is good enough to win the starting job, he won't be on the bench. If he isn't good enough to win it outright, why play him?

Of the QB's you mentioned, I see all of them but Flacco and Bradford as Franchise QB's. They've shown they can get the job done.

If the Texans are 10-6 and 1 and done in the playoffs, I get the impression from BO'B that, regardless of who's playing QB, the QB position will be evaluated just like all the other positions and if a franchise QB is available when the Texans drafted, that QB would be picked. Maybe the team wouldn't trade up significantly to get him, though.

I understand your line of thought, but I'm going to give this coaching staff the benefit of the doubt for now. I think BO'B is sincere in his statements about accountability and competition. My
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I know what I did say.
I wanted Wilson and Keenum (because of the position we were in.)

I'm good with JFF at 2.1 (a fair risk.)

I will be a hundred percent behind Mariota.

I will also be ecstatic with the guy that will follow Hogan at Stanford.

Whether the Texans will be in position to get them is a different matter.

I asked Mr Tex about solution, and his answer is very vague.
He wants a killer at QB, but he doesn't know who that is.
(Sorry, I don't mean to be critical. )

I had offered a solution (and I was not the only one); that is to trade away as many picks as you can for future spots.

You want a better shot at a real franchise QB, don't you?
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If CK is good enough to win the starting job, he won't be on the bench. If he isn't good enough to win it outright, why play him?
Agreed. If he or Tj does not beat out Fitzpatrick, they should both be gone & we should go with Fitz & Savage as the only two QBs on the roster. We can pick up Brett Smith to run the scout team.

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Of the QB's you mentioned, I see all of them but Flacco and Bradford as Franchise QB's. They've shown they can get the job done.
All the QBs I mentioned needed (needs) help. Ryan, Newton, Rivers... we've all seen them look great on teams with good running games & defenses, and we've seen them look lacking on teams without good running games/defense.


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If the Texans are 10-6 and 1 and done in the playoffs, I get the impression from BO'B that, regardless of who's playing QB, the QB position will be evaluated just like all the other positions and if a franchise QB is available when the Texans drafted, that QB would be picked. Maybe the team wouldn't trade up significantly to get him, though.
I get that same feeling. I hope so. But does he have the clout in the locker room to pull it off? I don't think Del Rio ever recovered from his QB shuffle when Garrard played well enough to get them to the play offs & he stuck Leftwhich back in the game, or Wade benching Flutie, or to a greater extent, Chucky letting Trent Dilfer go.

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I understand your line of thought, but I'm going to give this coaching staff the benefit of the doubt for now. I think BO'B is sincere in his statements about accountability and competition. My
Your line of thought is no different than mine. May the best QB win.

However, I think they signed Fitzpatrick & not Vick to make it easier for Case/Yates to win the job.
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