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Old 05-27-2014   #321
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Yet Aikman's rookie yr as a starter the Cowboys went 0-11.

Parallel to Keenum?
Aikman should have been cut after 8 games.
He was shut out in 3 games; reaching 50% completion in just one of those games, with 6 INTs.
He was 6-21 for 83 yards with 2 INTS in a 7-30 loss and 1-6 for 11 yards in a 13-20 loss.
No TD either.

In the 11th loss, he threw no TD and 4 INTs.

Talk about the opponents having game tape on him.
The guy regressed big time, LOL.
That guy can never be an NFL QB.

At least the Cowgirls won a game with Steve Waslh.
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Aikman should have been cut after 8 games.
He was shut out in 3 games; reaching 50% completion in just one of those games, with 6 INTs.
He was 6-21 for 83 yards with 2 INTS in a 7-30 loss and 1-6 for 11 yards in a 13-20 loss.
No TD either.

In the 11th loss, he threw no TD and 4 INTs.

Talk about the opponents having game tape on him.
The guy regressed big time, LOL.
That guy can never be an NFL QB.

At least the Cowgirls won a game with Steve Waslh.
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Which WR do you guys think Savage will "gel" with first?
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I think the texans would've taken him. I just don't think they were going to trade up for him.
I believe so as well. People are making too much out of this potential trade up thingy...it was literally 1 spot before they were supposed to pick in the 2nd round. I think they called Seattle's bluff and they lost is all. I firmly believe however that if Teddy had been there at 32 they would've taken him...unless an offer they recieved blew them away.
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I believe so as well. People are making too much out of this potential trade up thingy...it was literally 1 spot before they were supposed to pick in the 2nd round. I think they called Seattle's bluff and they lost is all. I firmly believe however that if Teddy had been there at 32 they would've taken him...unless an offer they recieved blew them away.
classic example of letting the draft come to you. pretty sure if Bridgewater had just used gloves during Louisville Pro Day this wouldn't even be close, which makes me wonder if Texans/O'Brian brought him in for a private workout? Does anyone know? If they didn't would suggest they took him off their board so why bother trading up?

Savage we know was worked out & on O'Brian radar for at least couple years. I'm a big Teddy fan & was willing to go with him #1 overall after his bowl game but the process really seemed to undermine his actual game film, then he may have simply been a victim of bad advisers recommendations. Despite all of Savages baggage moving around programs in the end he was all alone & stood out because of growth as person through hardship with plus size & strength for position.
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Aikman wasn't a great QB. He was an average QB on a great team. Super Bowls put him in the HOF, which is a shame.

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Aikman wasn't a great QB. He was an average QB on a great team. Super Bowls put him in the HOF, which is a shame.

Troy Aikman
He was a great QB (not an all-time great) but a below average fantasy QB, which injured his reputation as a great QB among fans... His numbers would have been much better in a different system with a lesser team. He is the most accurate intermediate passer in the history of the NFL.
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Aikman should have been cut after 8 games.
He was shut out in 3 games; reaching 50% completion in just one of those games, with 6 INTs.
He was 6-21 for 83 yards with 2 INTS in a 7-30 loss and 1-6 for 11 yards in a 13-20 loss.
No TD either.

In the 11th loss, he threw no TD and 4 INTs.

Talk about the opponents having game tape on him.
The guy regressed big time, LOL.
That guy can never be an NFL QB.

At least the Cowgirls won a game with Steve Waslh.
And, Aikman was fighting for his job his sophomore season... They were patient with Aikman, because he had all the tools to be a great QB, lacking only experience... If he had a limited arm, or lacked the measureables, the Cowboys would have moved on from him like the Texans have with Keenum.
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I love Troy Aikman & don't mean to berate his legacy in any way.

But...

He had Mark Tuinei, Nate Newton, & Emmit Smith (not to mention or take anything away from Stepnowski, Gogan, & Williams). They'll make any QBs job a whole lot easier. Emmit may not have been as flashy as Barry Sanders, but he's the best closer the NFL has ever seen.

I'm saying that Aikman was an NFL-ready QB coming out of college... I'm not arguing whether or not he belongs in the HOF. My point is that those college QBs that have all the pieces in place entering the draft are few and far between... and, the Texans have never had the opportunity to grab one of them, despite the fact that they have had the 1st pick three times.
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And, Aikman was fighting for his job his sophomore season... They were patient with Aikman, because he had all the tools to be a great QB, lacking only experience... If he had a limited arm, or lacked the measureables, the Cowboys would have moved on from him like the Texans have with Keenum.
Ain't no fun speaking from hindsight. LOL.

What if we change name from Aikman to Russell the Giant.


Didn't he have a great arm and great measurables.

You're picking and choose stories to make your point.

Yes, a big arm is good.
Good measurables is an asset.
They don't necessarily make a good or great QB.

Sure, a QB may get a longer look due to measurables; doesn't mean it's the try and true formula.
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I'm saying that Aikman was an NFL-ready QB coming out of college... I'm not arguing whether or not he belongs in the HOF. My point is that those college QBs that have all the pieces in place entering the draft are few and far between... and, the Texans have never had the opportunity to grab one of them, despite the fact that they have had the 1st pick three times.
Didn't Carr have the arm?
Didn't he have the measurables?

I'm not sure whether VY had a big arm or not, but he sure had the measurables?

What are you suggesting here?
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I think what the conclusion here is that college stats, arm strength, size, what round you were drafted in means NOTHING in the NFL. People who have everything needed to succeed sometimes don't, and others who shouldn't make it sometimes thrive and go on to the HOF.

What we should all take from this is that nothing is a guarantee with any draft pick regardless of where they were picked or whom they played for.
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I think what the conclusion here is that college stats, arm strength, size, what round you were drafted in means NOTHING in the NFL. People who have everything needed to succeed sometimes don't, and others who shouldn't make it sometimes thrive and go on to the HOF.

What we should all take from this is that nothing is a guarantee with any draft pick regardless of where they were picked or whom they played for.
No, they mean the odds of success are greater and perhaps the leeway given but that there are no guarantees. Cherry picking some flukes like Brady does not render everything a crap shoot.
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Didn't Carr have the arm?
Didn't he have the measurables?

I'm not sure whether VY had a big arm or not, but he sure had the measurables?

What are you suggesting here?
I'm suggesting that if Keenum had the tools that those you mentioned (carr, vy), the organization would invest more of its time and resources towards his develop, just like the Texans did with Carr and the Titans did with Young... Since Keenum has huge question marks in the minds of every NFL GM, it is unlikely a team will be willing to commit to him in any role other than a backup QB.
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He was a great QB (not an all-time great) but a below average fantasy QB, which injured his reputation as a great QB among fans... His numbers would have been much better in a different system with a lesser team. He is the most accurate intermediate passer in the history of the NFL.
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I'm saying that Aikman was an NFL-ready QB coming out of college... I'm not arguing whether or not he belongs in the HOF. My point is that those college QBs that have all the pieces in place entering the draft are few and far between... and, the Texans have never had the opportunity to grab one of them, despite the fact that they have had the 1st pick three times.
Carr had all the tools but the Texans let him down. On many levels, they let him down. I'm not saying Carr would've been a superstar, but he could've been very good. Gets back to right player/right team/right coach thing.

What would P. Mannings career look like if he played for Marty Schottenhiemer? Probably still very good but maybe not GOAT level of good.
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Disagree.

Carr had all the tools but the Texans let him down. On many levels, they let him down. I'm not saying Carr would've been a superstar, but he could've been very good. Gets back to right player/right team/right coach thing.

What would P. Mannings career look like if he played for Marty Schottenhiemer? Probably still very good but maybe not GOAT level of good.
Except heart and brains.
Two very important requirements for that position.
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Except heart and brains.
Two very important requirements for that position.
Agreed. While he was behind the 8 ball; Carr definitely did not care about being the best. He was the first to leave, and more interested in playing golf than studying his playbook.
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Except heart and brains.
Two very important requirements for that position.
Yep ... physical tools .
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I'm suggesting that if Keenum had the tools that those you mentioned (carr, vy), the organization would invest more of its time and resources towards his develop, just like the Texans did with Carr and the Titans did with Young... Since Keenum has huge question marks in the minds of every NFL GM, it is unlikely a team will be willing to commit to him in any role other than a backup QB.
No, it was because where they were drafted that teams invested more time in those first round QBs.

On the other hand, if you find a QB in a later round, the franchise can spend more resources, ie. Higher draft picks elsewhere.

It works both ways as an average.

The Pats haven't had to spend a first round draft picks for a long time now; they were able to afford the resources somewhere else.

It can be argued that because the Texans spent a number on Carr, they lacked the resources to find protection for him, up to a certain point.
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