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Old 05-23-2014   #1321
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Houston Texans nearly drafted Blake Bortles?

according to Tony Pauline.

The Texans held the first pick in the draft and there's was much intrigue right up until the final minutes. Houston seriously considered Blake Bortles with the initial selection and I'm told they had two cards filled out at their table. One had Bortles name on it while the other listed the team's eventual selection, Jadeveon Clowney. In the end Clowney was the smart pick and was made in large part based on fear; the team was afraid of passing up such a potentially dominant defender.

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If I was fishing for a trade , which they were , I would have two cards because they know who is on one card . A team that was focused on one player would be afraid his guy was on the other card .

Bortles right now is just a guy until proven otherwise . He was picked that high because the Jags wanted a local guy more than the headache of JF . JF had a better arm , bigger hands , and higher Wunderlich . JF also played in the SEC .

Savage has about the same size , much better arm , and bigger hands . Savage was a freshman All American and then got hurt his sophomore year and lost his job . He pouted and left to Arizona and when Arizona hired Rich Rodriguez , whose last QB was Denard Robinson , he left because he didn't fit the system . Savage admits to being a brat and having to grow up . He's like a Mormon kid who went on a two year mission . He's grown up at 24 .
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Plus Bortles uses steroids, has HIV, and framed a guy!

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The filing not only accuses Bortles of taking steroids and HGH, but also alleges he's been involved in some other nefarious dealings including an allegation that Bortles framed Rothrock for a crime so he would be jailed and unable to talk to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, who approached Rothrock about the distribution of steroids and HGH.
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On an actual, serious note. I don't think Bortles is going to be anything special. I'll eat my crow if he ends up being really good. But I see him as a middle of the road QB at best.
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On an actual, serious note. I don't think Bortles is going to be anything special. I'll eat my crow if he ends up being really good. But I see him as a middle of the road QB at best.
This is all about a guy trying to enhance his opinion .
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This is all about a guy trying to enhance his opinion .
Some of us can see it and understand it and some us of don't. A lot of people think inside the box and a few us think outside the box. A few can see the BIG picture the rest can't. For every hundred sheep there is one Border Collie.
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Some of us can see it and understand it and some us of don't. A lot of people think inside the box and a few us think outside the box. A few can see the BIG picture the rest can't. For every hundred sheep there is one Border Collie.
It all comes out in the wash so we'll see if you're a border collie or Daffy Duck .
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I repped him for that one .
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On an actual, serious note. I don't think Bortles is going to be anything special. I'll eat my crow if he ends up being really good. But I see him as a middle of the road QB at best.
What is a "middle of the road QB" ?

Is this a four tier system?
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What is a "middle of the road QB" ?

Is this a four tier system?
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  4. Bad
If I had to quantify it I think he'll fall into a range around 13-18 best qb in the league.

But I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again.
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What is a "middle of the road QB" ?

Is this a four tier system?
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Middle... median... mean... average.

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Middle... median... mean... average.
So if we're talking about a three tier scale
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We're talking Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, type of production.

If we're talking about that 4 tier, we're looking at

Sam Bradford, Joe Flacco (outside the play offs), Carson Palmer, Ryan Tannehill.
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So if we're talking about a three tier scale
  1. Elite
  2. Middle of the road
  3. Bad

We're talking Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, type of production.

If we're talking about that 4 tier, we're looking at

Sam Bradford, Joe Flacco (outside the play offs), Carson Palmer, Ryan Tannehill.
Holy over complicating Batman:

Elite: QBs 1-10
Middle of the road: QBs 11-21
Bad: QBs 22-32
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yeah, holy crap Robin, two years ago the discussion was ranking Schaub among top ten QB's, borderline elite. now?

four not 1st rd QB picks, now considered elite, Russell Wilson Colin Kaepernick, Tom Brady & Nick Foles. besides being selected later they've done pretty good work but what they also have in common are genius football coaches/organizations. lets hope Bill O'Brian brings that level of play & Savage exceeds expectations of those selected before him.
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Holy over complicating Batman:

Elite: QBs 1-10
Middle of the road: QBs 11-21
Bad: QBs 22-32
I'm just asking...

So we're talking about Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, & Andrew Luck middle of the road.

I don't think anyone would complain if he plays as well as that group. #3 overall wouldn't look so bad either.

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yeah, holy crap Robin, two years ago the discussion was ranking Schaub among top ten QB's, borderline elite. now?

four not 1st rd QB picks, now considered elite, Russell Wilson Colin Kaepernick, Tom Brady & Nick Foles. besides being selected later they've done pretty good work but what they also have in common are genius football coaches/organizations. lets hope Bill O'Brian brings that level of play & Savage exceeds expectations of those selected before him.
Damn...... now we've got to go back to defining middle of the road, which was my point to begin with.
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I'm just asking...

So we're talking about Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, & Andrew Luck middle of the road.
If you rank them 11+ then yes. You have 10 guys ahead of them on current play?

You keep wanting to inject names which just confuses the matter because you may have 10 guys in front of those but someone else may only have 5. But anyway, most people are going to think around center of the pack (16.5) is the middle.
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Only four elite Qbs in the nfl in the last decade. P. Manning, Brady, Brees and rodgers. After that i wouldnt know how to rank them. But they have been consistently great. No bad years or long term slumps.
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