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Old 05-12-2014   #41
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There is no Rick vs. Bob.

This combination seems to have struck a home run on its first at-bat.

I'm sure there was more to this draft than sending Rick to fetch what Boss BoB told him to go get.

I'm liking what I've seen from this combination, when it comes to personnel moves, so far.
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Well said, man.

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Good idea about updating the sig...

The whole Kubiak regime numbed me. I would watch the Texans every week, but was always watching for their lack of discipline to screw up a win. A couple years ago, they won a lot of games, but most of those wins were "hold-ons."

I have a feeling this coaching regime will look to squash their opponents, Bill Goldberg WCW '98 style. Can't wait to see it.
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they still drafted from need positions I think

guard was a major need since wade smith retired

NT was a need so we got NIX


im not surprised we drafted a QB but we reall didn't need to do that IMO not like we are going anywhere dis season with or without savage
You really can't not take need into account at some level. Especially deeper in the draft when there's almost no separation between some players you like why not choose need?

Though I really think you can make an argument that 3 of our first 4 picks were BPA (I'm not sure about CJF. I like the pick, but I had some players available ranked above him.)
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Agree. Going back through the draft I'm awed by the patience Rick exercised. 2nd round grade on Nix, one of a handful of true 0-techs in the draft and he waits until the 19th pick to jump ahead of Green Bay and steal him. Packer fans weren't happy.

And getting the QB at the top of your new coach's board at the tail end of the 4th... with the Cards having 3 picks in between and preferring big-armed prospects... I'd have been a nervous wreck.
You're assuming Nix had a 2nd RD grade. Some say he was a 1st RD talent. Still Nix took a substantial fall. There are most likely valid reasons why Nix was not picked earlier. Again you assume the Packers were drafting Nix and Packer fans were upset. Supposition. There is a high probability that Ted Thompson knew why Nix was falling and would've also taken a pass on Nix. Understandably that the fans may have been upset as they likely didn't know or understand Nix's fall. There is also more Chubby Chasers fans than non Chubby Chaser fans. When you study Nix college career you find he was a non factor in more games, than the games where he contributed at least 1 tackle.

Nix was more likely a Romeo Crennel pick than a Rick Smith pick. So are you still a fan of giving up picks #101 and #141 to move up to take a player who will likely only be on the field for 20%-30% of the defensive snaps and who will likely only contribute a minimum of 1 tackle in less than 50% of the games he plays in? Don't you think that you could find this kind of potential and upside somewhere in the 5th or 6th rd and without trading any valuable draft picks to do so?
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You're assuming Nix had a 2nd RD grade. Some say he was a 1st RD talent. Still Nix took a substantial fall. There are most likely valid reasons why Nix was not picked earlier. Again you assume the Packers were drafting Nix and Packer fans were upset. Supposition. There is a high probability that Ted Thompson knew why Nix was falling and would've also taken a pass on Nix. Understandably that the fans may have been upset as they likely didn't know or understand Nix's fall. There is also more Chubby Chasers fans than non Chubby Chaser fans. When you study Nix college career you find he was a non factor in more games, than the games where he contributed at least 1 tackle.

Nix was more likely a Romeo Crennel pick than a Rick Smith pick. So are you still a fan of giving up picks #101 and #141 to move up to take a player who will likely only be on the field for 20%-30% of the defensive snaps and who will likely only contribute a minimum of 1 tackle in less than 50% of the games he plays in? Don't you think that you could find this kind of potential and upside somewhere in the 5th or 6th rd and without trading any valuable draft picks to do so?
This is the problem with stats.

I don't care if he makes a single tackle all season, do you have any clue what having a space eating NT like Nix does for JJ, Clowney, and Cushing?
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Nix was more likely a Romeo Crennel pick than a Rick Smith pick. So are you still a fan of giving up picks #101 and #141 to move up to take a player who will likely only be on the field for 20%-30% of the defensive snaps and who will likely only contribute a minimum of 1 tackle in less than 50% of the games he plays in? Don't you think that you could find this kind of potential and upside somewhere in the 5th or 6th rd and without trading any valuable draft picks to do so?
The Notebook: Is Louis Nix III the best of both worlds?
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/5/5...couting-report
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That's the title out of this very comprehensive piece about Nix, and considering him as a fit as a NT in a 3-4, or a 4-3, or for both. It goes on for quite some time, but it's a good read and really gets into the nuts and bolts of playing the nose position in both the 3-4 and the 4-3.
Obviously the "insiders" knew/ know something about Nix that these guys who do the mocks don't because the mockers all had Nix early, first or second round. Don't know if the weight issue or injury history is the biggest concern, but there's some serious concerns. Something that came out of this article was that the author said Nix had tremendous hussle, was a real scrappy guy even when having a bad game.
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...about Nix, and considering him as a fit as a NT in a 3-4, or a 4-3, or for both...
Majority saw him as only 3-4 NT.

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Obviously the "insiders" knew/ know something about Nix that these guys who do the mocks don't because the mockers all had Nix early...
Injury concerns, scheme fit concerns, discipline concerns. My concerns center more around "does he really want to be the best"/will he man-up? Nix is a jokester/goof-off -- that and his social media/video game time turned off some teams.

Dan Shonka and Greg Gabriel both graded Nix as the #2 NT behind Donald. Shonka had him solidly in 1st round.

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With the league almost equally divided (17 teams use the 3-4 for a base defense, 15 teams use the 4-3), the Journal Sentinel asked scouts to rank players based on the scheme their team employs. There were 11 scouts representing 3-4 teams and eight from 4-3 teams.

In each poll, scouts were asked to rank their top five players, with five points assigned to first place and so forth. No limits were placed on the players that the scouts could choose from other than players couldn't have been voted for in the linebacker polls that appeared Monday.

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Nose tackle in a 3-4: Louis Nix, 43 (five firsts); Timmy Jernigan, 32 (four firsts); DaQuan Jones, 26; Ego Ferguson, 15; Aaron Donald, 14 (two firsts); Justin Ellis, 12; Shamar Stephen, eight; Daniel McCullers, seven; Mike Pennel, three; Kelcy Quarles, two; and Beau Allen, Dominique Easley and Zach Kerr, one.
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This is the problem with stats.

I don't care if he makes a single tackle all season, do you have any clue what having a space eating NT like Nix does for JJ, Clowney, and Cushing?
The problem with stats is if people don't like them they tend to make excuses for them or just simply ignore them altogether. However when there are "no statistics available" it becomes much easier to ignore them.

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The problem with stats is if people don't like them they tend to make excuses for them or just simply ignore them altogether. However when there are "no statistics available" it becomes much easier to ignore them.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelo...lege/louis-nix
So, according to the almighty stats, how many tackles should a good NT have in a season?

Stats are nothing when talking about what a good NT does for your defense.
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So, according to the almighty stats, how many tackles should a good NT have in a season?

Stats are nothing when talking about what a good NT does for your defense.
All the Fans of Girth are wishing and hoping that Louis Nix is the next Vince Wilfork. For comparison sake Wilfork had 64 tackles his last year in college NOT < 10. Nix didn't have 64 tackles in his college career.
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All the Chubby Chasers are wishing and hoping that Louis Nix is the next Vince Wilfork. For comparison sake Wilfork had 64 tackles his last year in college NOT < 10. Nix didn't have 64 tackles in his college career.
I am hoping he's the next Wilfork, even better yet the Nix III!

And I don't know the difference in the 2 defenses each played on so I can't tell you what kind of comparison that is.

We got a steal on a good player we needed in a Crennel defense.

Cry all the way to the Super Bowl for all I care.
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I am hoping he's the next Wilfork, even better yet the Nix III!

And I don't know the difference in the 2 defenses each played on so I can't tell you what kind of comparison that is.

We got a steal on a good player we needed in a Crennel defense.

Cry all the way to the Super Bowl for all I care.
Both were NTs. Watch Alabama game. Nix was abused by Bama OC Barrett Jones and therefore was used abused by Lacy and Yeldon. It was not a pretty site from Nix's perspective.
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Both were NTs. Watch Alabama game. Nix was abused by Bama OC Barrett Jones and therefore was used abused by Lacy and Yeldon. It was not a pretty site from Nix's perspective.
We must be watching different games.
I scored a decent win for Nix despite Jones' having help.

Nix is no younger version of Wilfork.
He's not even in the same breadth as BJ Raji out of college.

I thought the way the game was going, drafting a big man like Raji with a first is a risk.
I have no problem with Nix where he was drafted at.
The upside is more worthwhile.
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We must be watching different games.
I scored a decent win for Nix despite Jones' having help.

Nix is no younger version of Wilfork.
He's not even in the same breadth as BJ Raji out of college.

I thought the way the game was going, drafting a big man like Raji with a first is a risk.
I have no problem with Nix where he was drafted at.
The upside is more worthwhile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBLKebN_b8

By my review Nix was one on one the entire game and was easily blocked or run out of the play by Barrett in almost every occasion.
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By my review Nix was one on one the entire game and was easily blocked or run out of the play by Barrett in almost every occasion.
We're watching the same game alright.

So I scored it for Nix.

Obviously, if you score a draw in favor of the Center, you would be viewing it differently than my take.

That would be required of a first round grade NT, which I never Considered Nix to be.

I'm somewhat busy at the moment helping my nephew starting his endeavor, but it would please me just the same to go through each play with you, just to know what we're expecting.

Good exercise for the mind.
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We're watching the same game alright.

So I scored it for Nix.

...it would please me just the same to go through each play with you, just to know what we're expecting.

Good exercise for the mind.
Let's do that when you have the time, 76T...

Perhaps better placed in the Nix thread: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=104995

Always enjoyed your takes.
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Nix was more likely a Romeo Crennel pick than a Rick Smith pick. So are you still a fan of giving up picks #101 and #141 to move up to take a player who will likely only be on the field for 20%-30% of the defensive snaps and who will likely only contribute a minimum of 1 tackle in less than 50% of the games he plays in? Don't you think that you could find this kind of potential and upside somewhere in the 5th or 6th rd and without trading any valuable draft picks to do so?
I know he plays a different position, but I'm hoping he can replace Antonio's function on the team. It's either him, or 6th round pick Jeoffrey Pagan. or Jared Crick.

One of those guys have got to supply pressure up the middle, demanding a double team. If Nix is that guy, he'll stay on the field while the DE is taken off. Nix can be hell in a pass rushing situations, attacking one gap... we'll have to wait & see, but the point is that we don't know if he'll be the one coming off on third down. Still, he may not be coming off on all third downs, maybe he takes 60% of them, maybe 40%, who knows?
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Dan Shonka and Greg Gabriel both graded Nix as the #2 NT behind Donald. Shonka had him solidly in 1st round.
Donald was one of the few guys in this draft that I was second guessing. When he was taken, I got to thinking the, "Man, maybe we should have taken an 'off-value' trade just so we could have gotten him."

Then when we got Nix in the third... well

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I know he plays a different position, but I'm hoping he can replace Antonio's function on the team. It's either him, or 6th round pick Jeoffrey Pagan. or Jared Crick.

One of those guys have got to supply pressure up the middle, demanding a double team. If Nix is that guy, he'll stay on the field while the DE is taken off. Nix can be hell in a pass rushing situations, attacking one gap... we'll have to wait & see, but the point is that we don't know if he'll be the one coming off on third down. Still, he may not be coming off on all third downs, maybe he takes 60% of them, maybe 40%, who knows?
My GUESS is Nix will replace Earl Mitchell at NT and Pagan will line up as your new Ninja.

Based on games watched, I'm not sure Nix will command a double team unless he changes his style of play. IMHO all double teams will directed at Watt until further notice. For example in the Alabama game it appears Barrett Jones did some good film study of Nix. Nix first initial move is to stand up. At that point Jones is able to gain leverage and find BIG success in directing and running Nix out of the play most of the time. IMHO Nix needs to be able to do a much better job at anchoring the middle and holding his ground before the double teams begin to show up.
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My GUESS is Nix will replace Earl Mitchell at NT and Pagan will line up as your new Ninja.
No arguments there. I said replace Antonio's function of demanding a double team. Antonio was consistently doubled on just about every play.


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IMHO all double teams will directed at Watt until further notice.
No doubt in my mind Watt will continue to be doubled, but someone else will as well. That's what makes Brooks & Whitney's performance so bad imo. Jj & Antonio were consistently fighting double teams. Not only were Brooks & Whitney ineffective against a single man, but often times that man was a TE.... even worse, a RB/FB.
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