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Old 05-11-2014   #81
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Very solid draft, I am real happy with it. One glaring concern though, we didn't draft any OL, so are we rolling with Newton next season?
No OL? We drafted Su'a-Filo in the 2nd round. Perhaps you meant OT? I think we have an open competition at RT between Newton and 2 of our O-Line picks last year (David Quessenberry and Brennan Williams). I would be surprised if Newton wins that competition.

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Short and sweet reply from a non coaching guy. The only player I heard of was Clowney (duh) but I did read up on the selected players and prior mocks. I also learn and continue to read board posts and threads daily if not yearly here. If the player improves and fills a need then it's easy to grade the selection. Time will tell if the grade stays true on the field.

1.1 Clowney A
Defintiely improves defense needs

2.1 Su'a-Filo A
Definitely improves offensive line needs

3.1 Fiedorowicz A
Definitely improves TE needs

3.19 Nix A
Definitely improves defensive line needs

4.35 Savage A
Fills depth and competition as appears Fitz is 2015 starter (for non believers I suggest at least take one year at a time..focus 2015)

6.1 Pagan A
Definitely improves defensive line needs

6.5 Blue A
Definitely improves in running passing game needs

6.35 Prosch A
Definitely improves in running pass blocking game n special teams needs

7.1 Hal and Ballentine A
Definitely improves competition and invites hidden talents

Compare to what happened last year it should definitely improve the team. All of the new 26 of 27 coaches, asst coaches, coordinators, QB, injured rookies last year, players that left, and this year draftees can now emerge and develop.
I believe after this it's fair to allow them this yearly time to show and play a competitive and winning season. As a fan it can be rough and impatient sometime through past seasons. I'm hoping they should at least get to a sane 8-8 this year and above to stay away from this total complete assessment.

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Average and ordinary! Lol

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I somewhat agree with him , for me the grade on this draft is based off of the top 4 players taken .... the rest don't appear to be special. Don't take that to mean I think they were bad choices or poor players. Its no lock that any of them make the final 53.


Clowney A
Su'a-Filo A
Fiedorowicz C (like the player , not the choice)
Nix A

After that , I wasn't particularly thrilled with any choice. They do appear at first glance to be average to ordinary.


Savage - Incomplete Has a full box of tools , lots of potential, more likely a wasted pick. Hard for me to believe that a late 4th round pick is going to be a starting QB in the NFL. (yeah I know there are exceptions).

Jeffrey Pagan C , Definite need pick with only Watt & Crick on the roster at DE. I probably would have taken a DE (or OT) in place of Savage. Should be in the rotation at DE.

Alfred Blue C , Another need pick. Average talent , backup in college.

Jay Prosch B , Best player at his position in the draft. Hard to complain about. Not a sexy pick but a good one even if the position is devalued.

Andre Hall B , Cant knock picking a CB here. Special teams player , that unit really needs improvement.


Lonnie Ballentine B , Athletic safety high reward low risk.



None of those guys from Savage on down blows you away. They did what they were suppose to do , filled needs with guys who they believe fit the systems they will implement.
Prosch will likely be the day one starter at FB , Pagan should be in the DE rotation , Blue will be a backup unless Foster implodes, Hall & Ballentine may make the roster , may not probably depends upon their performance on ST.

They went into the draft with one BIG need and likely didn't fill it (Hope I'm wrong). I give them a pass tho because they got three guy's in Clowney , Nix and Su'a-Filo with first round talent & the QB's don't appear to be franchise types , taking any one of them would likely have been a reach.


Now I hope they read this and set out to prove me wrong ....
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Very solid draft, I am real happy with it. One glaring concern though, we didn't draft any OL, so are we rolling with Newton next season?
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I somewhat agree with him , for me the grade on this draft is based off of the top 4 players taken .... the rest don't appear to be special. Don't take that to mean I think they were bad choices or poor players. Its no lock that any of them make the final 53.


Clowney A
Su'a-Filo A
Fiedorowicz C (like the player , not the choice)
Nix A

After that , I wasn't particularly thrilled with any choice. They do appear at first glance to be average to ordinary.


Savage - Incomplete Has a full box of tools , lots of potential, more likely a wasted pick. Hard for me to believe that a late 4th round pick is going to be a starting QB in the NFL. (yeah I know there are exceptions).

Jeffrey Pagan C , Definite need pick with only Watt & Crick on the roster at DE. I probably would have taken a DE (or OT) in place of Savage. Should be in the rotation at DE.

Alfred Blue C , Another need pick. Average talent , backup in college.

Jay Prosch B , Best player at his position in the draft. Hard to complain about. Not a sexy pick but a good one even if the position is devalued.

Andre Hall B , Cant knock picking a CB here. Special teams player , that unit really needs improvement.


Lonnie Ballentine B , Athletic safety high reward low risk.



None of those guys from Savage on down blows you away. They did what they were suppose to do , filled needs with guys who they believe fit the systems they will implement.
Prosch will likely be the day one starter at FB , Pagan should be in the DE rotation , Blue will be a backup unless Foster implodes, Hall & Ballentine may make the roster , may not probably depends upon their performance on ST.

They went into the draft with one BIG need and likely didn't fill it (Hope I'm wrong). I give them a pass tho because they got three guy's in Clowney , Nix and Su'a-Filo with first round talent & the QB's don't appear to be franchise types , taking any one of them would likely have been a reach.


Now I hope they read this and set out to prove me wrong ....
They are building this team like I like football teams - Big, Strong, Tough!

I love what they were able to do in a single draft.

And I don't agree about not filling the biggest hole (QB), I would rather they wait and try to find the QB through another avenue than to waste a pick on anyone they aren't sold with.

I don't think any of the QB's in this draft excited O'Brien.

The position I'm looking at is running back. Can Foster fit in this style (grind it out) Offense?
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Even Patriots fans think they had a good draft, and they totally stunk at their draft. Bellicheck taking a QB in round 2 and a project player in round 1?


Fans always want to look for the positives.

I think in our draft the coaches did what they intended to do for the most part. Nothing goes as planned the entire time, but they probably wanted to bring in their guys for the system they want to implement which will need to start in the trenches. My favorite pick is that NT assuming he ends up being a good space eater in the middle who can cause some havoc as well. With him going in there, it makes me feel better about the Clowney pick.
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They are building this team like I like football teams - Big, Strong, Tough!

I love what they were able to do in a single draft.

Sure , I agree completely .... just that those guys taken from 4:35 on down may not make the final 53 , they were average to ordinary players (in terms of NFL talent) and that's why they were available at those spots.


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I don't think any of the QB's in this draft excited O'Brien.
Like I said , I give them a pass on the QB spot .... no reason to reach for a player who you don't believe in. They resisted that temptation .... In this pass happy league of instant results , that's tough to do.
If Savage turns out to be a starter , great. If not , they can find their QB of the future at a later date ... no issue with this at all. He was a gamble worth taking .... full box of tools.

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That's a good question & he does have a lot of wear & tear on his body .... not to mention coming off of surgery.




I think they could surprise some people. This defense looks like it's going to be very good.
Its not out of the realm of possibility that they make the playoffs right out of the gate with a journeyman QB at the helm.
The schedule is favorable , two other teams in their division have questions under center.
Win those 4 games and you are half way to 8-8 with a last place schedule while last years playoff contenders will face opposition that finished with better records last season outside of those games decided by divisional rotation.

I can see them finishing ~9-7 if they get some breaks along the way.
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Sure , I agree completely .... just that those guys taken from 4:35 on down may not make the final 53 , they were average to ordinary players (in terms of NFL talent) and that's why they were available at those spots.




Like I said , I give them a pass on the QB spot .... no reason to reach for a player who you don't believe in. They resisted that temptation .... In this pass happy league of instant results , that's tough to do.
If Savage turns out to be a starter , great. If not , they can find their QB of the future at a later date ... no issue with this at all. He was a gamble worth taking .... full box of tools.



That's a good question & he does have a lot of wear & tear on his body .... not to mention coming off of surgery.




I think they could surprise some people. This defense looks like it's going to be very good.
Its not out of the realm of possibility that they make the playoffs right out of the gate with a journeyman QB at the helm.
The schedule is favorable , two other teams in their division have questions under center.
Win those 4 games and you are half way to 8-8 with a last place schedule while last years playoff contenders will face opposition that finished with better records last season outside of those games decided by divisional rotation.

I can see them finishing ~9-7 if they get some breaks along the way.
I completely missed that you said you give them a pass on the QB spot.

Sorry about that, I need to read slower.
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Kiper: Houston Texans: A-

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Needs: A-
Value: A-

Summary: The Texans drafted a generational talent in Jadeveon Clowney, safely the top prospect in the entire draft, and somehow the focus was on what they would do at quarterback. Swing a trade? Draft another Carr? Well, they did end up getting a potential starter in Tom Savage, and I liked the value -- they grabbed Savage in Round 4 when I wouldn't have been surprised to see him go a round earlier. Make no mistake: Savage is no short-term savior. But the potential is there. The Texans got stronger in the trenches. Xavier Su'a-Filo is the best guard in the draft, and not only is C.J. Fiedorowicz an underrated athlete at tight end, he can actually block somebody, which isn't common in this tight end class. On defense, Louis Nix III is a steal at No. 83 if he's in decent shape, and with him, J.J. Watt and Clowney around, the Texans look awfully versatile up front. Jay Prosch is a bruiser at fullback, and I think Andre Hal could be a decent depth addition at CB soon. The Texans really could have gone a few different directions with that No. 1 pick and justified it. But they put aside questions of scheme, need, and everything else and simply took a potentially great player. I did think they could add a tackle, but Su'a-Filo makes them better up front, and will help the run game. if Nix and Savage pan out, this could be a great class.

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Rd	Pk	Pos	Player	College
(1)	1	DE	Jadeveon Clowney	South Carolina
(2)	33	G	Xavier Su'a-Filo	UCLA
(3)	65	TE	C.J. Fiedorowicz	Iowa
(3)	83	DT	Louis Nix III	Notre Dame
(4)	135	QB	Tom Savage	Pittsburgh
(6)	177	DE	Jeoffrey Pagan	Alabama
(6)	181	RB	Alfred Blue	LSU
(6)	211	FB	Jay Prosch	Auburn
(7)	216	CB	Andre Hal	Vanderbilt
(7)	256	S	Lonnie Ballentine	Memphis
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Rd. 1 (1): Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina

The Texans put together a good draft, and while there were a few different picks that merit consideration, I had to go with the No. 1 pick. Houston made the right decision in taking Clowney first overall. He is the best and most talented player in this class, and the Texans will make him fit in Romeo Crennel's scheme, taking advantage of his excellent pass-rushing ability and physical tools (including wide receiver-like straight-line speed). He's got a chance to be a superstar in the NFL.
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The Texans want to be a physical football team, and that was evident with several of the team's picks. Second-round guard Xavier Su'a-Filo is a tone-setter, third-round tight end C.J. Fiedorowicz should contribute early as a complement to Garrett Graham, and if third-round nose tackle Louis Nix III plays in the NFL like he did his 2012 season at Notre Dame, he's a steal, because he's a perfect fit in Romeo Crennel's system. If anyone can take fourth-round quarterback Tom Savage's raw talent and mold him into a successful NFL quarterback, it's coach Bill O'Brien. And, most important, the Texans also came away with the No. 1 player in this draft in Jadeveon Clowney, who should have an immediate impact as a pass-rusher his rookie season. When he gets one-on-one matchups, look out.
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Only thing I disliked about this draft was the reach at TE with the 3rd pick. If you wanted a blocker why not draft that Moses kid and stick him on the right side? TE's are very easy to find in this league.

B+ draft.
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Solid B. I like the direction they're heading in. Big and strong. First 4 picks get an A from me. Afterward although I hope Savage works out, I don't see anything in his game that makes me think he'll be anything other than a typical late 4 early 5 round backup QB.
I would have rather have an R-OT or an ILB in that spot. Pagan and Prosch will decide if this was a really good draft or not. I still think their QB of the future is in next years draft. I would have picked several other RB's than Blue in that spot also. I hope I'm wrong on him.
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Only thing I disliked about this draft was the reach at TE with the 3rd pick. If you wanted a blocker why not draft that Moses kid and stick him on the right side? TE's are very easy to find in this league.

B+ draft.
You may not like the position choice but the player was no reach.
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You may not like the position choice but the player was no reach.
Correct. Richard Rodgers and Crockett Gilmore were pressed up into the end of the 3rd, as TE was light on depth and high on team's needs.

Getting the TE they liked, the trade up to get Nix, and still getting their developmental QB 47 picks later was pretty masterfully played imo.
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Anyone notice the C the chron readers are giving the draft? I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
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Anyone notice the C the chron readers are giving the draft?
Pretty sure that's a reader's poll. Manziel supporters handing out "F" grades.
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You may not like the position choice but the player was no reach.
no doubt CJ will be the best TE in Texan history, Kubiak to his credit seemed to get by with 4th rd. picks with great success. O'Brian treasures TE position. blocking is a huge plus but he will surprise you with his ability to pluck the ball & bull ahead for important conversions & touchdowns. I don't blame the average fan, especially those who don't follow College Football. If I where to compare him to an NFL player you might be more familiar with how about Pittsburgh Steeler Heath Miller, selected in the 1st rd. 30th overall in 2005. Two time Pro-Bowler, 40TD's & 5,279 yards while being primarily Big Ben's pass blocker.
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I do not grade drafts.
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I give this draft an F-.

We needed a franchise QB and there wasn't one worthy, so I give THE 2014 DRAFT an F-.

I didn't actually vote, though.
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NE seemed to like LSU backs it seems , Kevin Faulk and Steven Ridley as examples .
good point I never considered. just focused on player with most upside or highest ceiling, which in this case I feel there where better prospects. Do like his size, this whole bigger, stronger thing is kinda catchy, lol
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I do not grade drafts.
Mike Mayock is that you?

seriously his mock draft was the worst. his evaluation overall was bad. I don't think he SHOULD grade drafts. Because, its just for fun & he has no fun doing it
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