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Old 05-10-2014   #1281
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This same defense put similar body type Willie McGinest in the HOF. McGinest was a pain in the keyster every time we played them.
The awesome part about it is that same defense didn't have JJ Watt.

That D + JJ is something that I am really looking forward to watch. QB KRUNCH!
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When did mcginnist and his 60 sacks get in the hall of fame?
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When did mcginnist and his 60 sacks get in the hall of fame?
15 playoff sacks, most in NFL history.
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When did mcginnist and his 60 sacks get in the hall of fame?
86, not 60 -- including the most postseason sacks in history and the most ever in a playoff game. And while it's true he's not in the HOF, he's nominated this year (his first of eligibility).
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When did mcginnist and his 60 sacks get in the hall of fame?
ok, I'm guilty of excitobabble. He's in the HOF discussion and was a hell of a player in any case. He played the elephant (or Leo) position much of his time in NE.

Easy oversimplified explanation...The Elephant runs DT's in the 1gap, 3gap and 5gap. The Leo stands up and is a rush end (with contain responsibilities) on weakside while the 3 DT's occupy all 5 linemen. You would like a long, explosive player as your Leo. Big long armed linemen as your DT's...and a huge NT clogging the middle. The elephant will roam depending on keys.
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What we do know here is that McGinest is smart. What we don't know is if Clowney is too. Spurrier is a pretty savvy coach. We know Spurrier is smart. You would think the "Old Ball Coach" would try to utilize Clowney in a number of different ways. Yet, Clowney was pretty much limited to a 4-3 DE w/ his hand in the dirt w/ instructions to get the QB and was only able to produce 3 sacks.
I'm not sure I've heard anyone rave about Spurrier's defensive prowess.
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I'm not sure I've heard anyone rave about Spurrier's defensive prowess.
Probably belongs on the college board, but Spurrier might be the most overrated coach in history. He has one title in 35 years. He's Mack Brown, but everyone thinks he's Lombardi.
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86, not 60 -- including the most postseason sacks in history and the most ever in a playoff game. And while it's true he's not in the HOF, he's nominated this year (his first of eligibility).

I like willie,but willie was just a solid player and pass rusher. Dude had 1 double digit sack. He had 86 sacks in 14 yrs which is an average of 6.5 sacks a season or so. Yeah he has the most career sacks in post season. So what?
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I like willie,but willie was just a solid player and pass rusher. Dude had 1 double digit sack. He had 86 sacks in 14 yrs which is an average of 6.5 sacks a season or so. Yeah he has the most career sacks in post season. So what?
He's also got three rings. I'd take a measly 86 career sacks from Clowney and the best postseason defensive performance in history if the Texans win three Super Bowls with him.
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He's also got three rings. I'd take a measly 86 career sacks from Clowney and the best postseason defensive performance in history if the Texans win three Super Bowls with him.
I know everyone loves the New England connection, but I'm still hoping Clowney turns into Charles Haley who with his 5 pro bowls, 2 all pros, 5 SB rings, 100.5 regular season sacks and 11 post season sacks playing DE-LB should be up for enshrinement ahead of McGinest.

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Jax had the balls to take the quarterback they think will be the future at #3 . We succumbed to pressure to take Clowney imo. Meanwhile we still don't have a quarterback unless we grab some late round stiff. And no none of these guys left are Tom Brady. I have a bad feeling we will regret passing on Bortles for years.
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Jax had the balls to take the quarterback they think will be the future at #3 . We succumbed to pressure to take Clowney imo. Meanwhile we still don't have a quarterback unless we grab some late round stiff. And no none of these guys left are Tom Brady. I have a bad feeling we will regret passing on Bortles for years.
Yep ... its why they always have stellar QB play .
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Yep ... its why they always have stellar QB play .
It's a new regime in Jax...I fear they may know what they're doing this time around.
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Jax had the balls to take the quarterback they think will be the future at #3 . We succumbed to pressure to take Clowney imo. Meanwhile we still don't have a quarterback unless we grab some late round stiff. And no none of these guys left are Tom Brady. I have a bad feeling we will regret passing on Bortles for years.
Tom Brady wasn't Tom Brady when he was drafted.

If the FO didn't think any of this year's QB crop was better than Clowney, I'm OK with that for now.
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Tom Brady wasn't Tom Brady when he was drafted.

If the FO didn't think any of this year's QB crop was better than Clowney, I'm OK with that for now.
Why do you guys continue to say this stuff. I am so sick of hearing people use Brady references for QB's for what "could happen." I've got news for ya, it rarely does. Tom Brady is one of the biggest if not the biggest exceptions in NFL history for a guy being an elite QB out of nowhere. 90% of the time the other 6th round and below QB's end up being below average. Sure, anything is possible but the majority of the QB's in this league come as early first rounders. Hell, look at most of the starters in this league. Brady is a huge exception and that will never be the norm.

We need to do everything possible in the next season to find a top flight QB. Mortgage however many picks it takes going into next year's draft.
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Why do you guys continue to say this stuff. I am so sick of hearing people use Brady references for QB's for what "could happen." I've got news for ya, it rarely does.
And you think I don't know that?

However, it's the truth. When Tom Brady was drafted, he wasn't expected to displace Drew Bledsoe... ever.

But because Tom Brady is the only 6th round pick to really produce, there are guys later in the drafts who do and there are guys in THIS draft who could.
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Why do you guys continue to say this stuff. I am so sick of hearing people use Brady references for QB's for what "could happen." I've got news for ya, it rarely does. Tom Brady is one of the biggest if not the biggest exceptions in NFL history for a guy being an elite QB out of nowhere. 90% of the time the other 6th round and below QB's end up being below average. Sure, anything is possible but the majority of the QB's in this league come as early first rounders. Hell, look at most of the starters in this league. Brady is a huge exception and that will never be the norm.

We need to do everything possible in the next season to find a top flight QB. Mortgage however many picks it takes going into next year's draft.
Most of the starting Qb's in the NFL at the end of last year were taken after the first round:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...g_quarterbacks
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Dan, you've certainly been around here long enough to know better than to use facts to derail a good rant. Could earn ya a demerit ya know?

I'd rather have had Mack as well but I'm not going to let it knot my knickers. If JDC plays to his full potential and can be a player in the mold of Haley and McGinst then the Texans have knocked it outta the park. If he just collects paychecks and lays down then he'll just be a Clown. I think I'm going to remain positive. It's entirely up to the new #90 if his star rises or plummets.
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Dan, you've certainly been around here long enough to know better than to use facts to derail a good rant. Could earn ya a demerit ya know?

I'd rather have had Mack as well but I'm not going to let it knot my knickers. If JDC plays to his full potential and can be a player in the mold of Haley and McGinst then the Texans have knocked it outta the park. If he just collects paychecks and lays down then he'll just be a Clown. I think I'm going to remain positive. It's entirely up to the new #90 if his star rises or plummets.
Sb winning QB's from the last ten years or so are:

1. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Russell Ben, Flacco.

Brady was that one exception along with Russell. Russell's team got there and won mainly due to defense.

I pretty much rest my case. Elite QB's generally come in the first round. Luck is practically elite now as well and he was a #1 over all draft pick. Don't let facts get in the way of what typically has happened in the NFL though.

This is a QB's league and it always will be.
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