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Old 10-26-2013   #741
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Default Re: 1st Round- DeAndre Hopkins WR Texans

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That's a gamble worth taking.

Being stride for stride with a receiver doesn't guarantee a DB can make a play if he doesn't know where or when the ball would come down. At least if he played the ball the only way he get beat is by a perfect pass. If he play his man he can get beat by a well-placed pass, he could get beat by him suddenly stopping and jumping back to get the ball, OR get beat by being called for running into the receiver.
I'd be irate if that was one of our CBs. Unless a safety totally blew his responsibility, there's no way he should have allowed Hop to get behind him like that.

He's beat.

If he's beat he needs to be working on catching up, not looking for an underthrown ball.

Again..... I don't have a problem with a DB playing the ball, unless he's beat. If he is beat, he has no business looking for the ball.

Time for gambling is over. At the time that guy looked for the ball he's hoping the QB doesn't see this wide open guy in the end zone.
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Old 04-21-2014   #742
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Default Re: 1st Round- DeAndre Hopkins WR Texans

Just trying to get this discussion out of the Swearinger thread.

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I guess you didn't watch many Viking games then. He was more impressive in every way over Hopkins. Plenty of nice plays from scrimmage and for extra credit you can enjoy the rac that Hopkins only dreams about at 2:17 where he takes the pitch lined up as a rb from the I formation and scores. Reality and versitility trumps imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Y9Tee8vbs
I guess it all depends on what you're looking for from your players.

So far, I don't see Cordarrelle Patterson as a WR. That's fine, he was a rookie & normally it takes a while for a rookie to establish himself as a WR.

I am old school & to me, a WR is your deep threats, I want to see 14+ ypc. It doesn't matter to me whether it's YAC, or just catching the ball 14+ yards down the field.

Well, Wes Welker doesn't get a 14+ ypc, never has, & he's clearly a WR...

So clearly there are exceptions to the rule. But I'd never acquire Wes Welker, consistently line him up outside & expect him to stretch the field.

Maybe Patterson can become that type of player, but there aren't a lot of those guys that are successful in the NFL for very long... I wouldn't use a first round pick on them. Darren Sproles & Wes Welker are the only two that I would consider as successful over a long period of time. You've got Percy Harvin & Dexter McCluster, but they've got to put some time in... & I'd really like to see Wes Welker continue his streak outside of New England, because while he was a great role player in Miami, I never thought he would have the success he had, or become that focal point of an offense like he did in New England.

So yeah, if you're looking for a Percy Harvin type football player, Patterson is probably that guy & he had a great rookie season being that guy. But if you're looking for a WR, someone to stretch the field & make the defense honor every blade of grass... DeAndre is much better at that than Percy Harvin (which would be like having a running back with 500 yards receiving... but if we get a healthy Arian back... )
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Old 04-21-2014   #743
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They also have/had guys with world class speed to stretch the field. (Moss/Bethel Johnson/Slater etc.... Who is currently on the roster with that kind of speed at any position including ST's? Johnson was a gunner/KR/PR guy. Slater is one of the best ST's guys in the NFL.

Also the Pats have had a RB in each of the 5 yr cycles that are very fast and contribute on ST's Faulk/Woodhead/Vereen.

So yes, the Pats have a system but they adapt their system to fit their players. This is the reason I think a Sims/Archer would be great fits in BOB's offense.
I don't know about that. Seems like you're saying they adapt the production they get out of the players... WRs stretch the field, with the exception of Welker, who was used more like a Joker TE...

To me, if you've got an offense where your best WR averages less than 13 ypc, then you've got a problem at WR. They aren't performing their function. We were looking for someone who would force the secondary to think about someone other than Andre Johnson. DeAndre does that. Patterson may be able to do that & in our system, maybe he would have. But his performance in 2013 doesn't lead you to believe that.

In the future, if his numbers get closer to 13 ypc then I'll say we made a mistake (if DeAndre's numbers fall).

But you're right, it depends on what you want from the players you pick.
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I don't know about that. Seems like you're saying they adapt the production they get out of the players... WRs stretch the field, with the exception of Welker, who was used more like a Joker TE...

To me, if you've got an offense where your best WR averages less than 13 ypc, then you've got a problem at WR. They aren't performing their function. We were looking for someone who would force the secondary to think about someone other than Andre Johnson. DeAndre does that. Patterson may be able to do that & in our system, maybe he would have. But his performance in 2013 doesn't lead you to believe that.

In the future, if his numbers get closer to 13 ypc then I'll say we made a mistake (if DeAndre's numbers fall).

But you're right, it depends on what you want from the players you pick.
I want players other teams fear.

Do defenses really fear Hopkins?

Do they fear Patterson ?
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Old 05-06-2014   #746
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I want players other teams fear.

Do defenses really fear Hopkins?

Do they fear Patterson ?
They don't fear patterson either. To me, Hunter is that dude. He's a tall,fast guy with hands. He will never probably be a 90rec guys,but he will be a 70 rec 1200 yd type.
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I want players other teams fear.

Do defenses really fear Hopkins?

Do they fear Patterson ?
If we get a QB that will throw him a good fade pass in the endzone, they dang sure will. Schaub's unwillingness to look for him (often enough) in this regard was probably part of his downfall.
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any updates? i know aj isnt happy, so now he must ve zat number von
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Deandre is a grown man, and I'm sure will take a hold of the situation in his own hands.
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Yeah, he's an adult and hopefully he'll take hold of the situation in his own hands..... and this time it won't end up in a picture posted to twitter.
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I could've sworn the first time I came into this thread Hopkins was being accused of having a child with the OP's co-worker....
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I could've sworn the first time I came into this thread Hopkins was being accused of having a child with the OP's co-worker....
You ain't crazy, man. I saw the same thing, too. OP just switched the topic with no warning.
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