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Doesn't matter what any of us think. The Texans aren't selecting JM Thursday night, and probably not Friday night if he fell although that is iffy.

The Texans prefer Bortles. End of story.

So, all you JM fans can get an early start by crying in your beer tonight instead of waiting until Thursday.

As far as Casserly, I would be surprised, but not totally shocked if Manziel fell out of round one as he is a true boom/bust prospect.
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The last thing the Texans want is for folks to think they're drafting manziel at 1.1 because it kills the trade -up value for teams thinking of clowney. Since McClain only gets told what the Texans want him to spew as misdirection, I can only think he's doing a Jack Nicholson impression.
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The last thing the Texans want is for folks to think they're drafting manziel at 1.1 because it kills the trade -up value for teams thinking of clowney. Since McClain only gets told what the Texans want him to spew as misdirection, I can only think he's doing a Jack Nicholson impression.
I don't think McNair really cares. His mind is made up. It's 48 hours before the draft.
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I don't think McNair really cares. His mind is made up. It's 48 hours before the draft.
But there's still a trade market, no?
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But there's still a trade market, no?
Yes there is but 48 hours until and my guess is McNair is past the trade market. At this point the mind is made up. After 4+ months, he knows.....
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Yes there is but 48 hours until and my guess is McNair is past the trade market. At this point the mind is made up. After 4+ months, he knows.....
Possibly. I think if we're not trading then you are right, but I'm hanging my hopes on a trade down because I don't love anyone at 1.1 and we've got a shed-full of needs. My understanding is that a lot of these trades go right down to the wire. In which case I'd expect the Texans media mouthpiece to be bigging up clowney. I don't believe anyone is contemplating trading up for anyone else.
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Yes there is but 48 hours until and my guess is McNair is past the trade market. At this point the mind is made up. After 4+ months, he knows.....
And who do you think he's set his mind on?

I have a feeling it's either Manziel or Bridgewater. For better or worse, Bortles and Clowney have been linked to the Texans a lot and that only makes me think that those are the two they are not going to pick.
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And who do you think he's set his mind on?

I have a feeling it's either Manziel or Bridgewater. For better or worse, Bortles and Clowney have been linked to the Texans a lot and that only makes me think that those are the two they are not going to pick.
I think McNair wants Manziel and BOB likes Bortles. I also think part of the reason the Texans are kind of off the grid is because of internal disagreements.
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And who do you think he's set his mind on?

I have a feeling it's either Manziel or Bridgewater. For better or worse, Bortles and Clowney have been linked to the Texans a lot and that only makes me think that those are the two they are not going to pick.
McNair is going to defer to the coaching staff. O'Brien will make the first decision on whether he wants a QB at 1.1. If he makes the decision to go defense with the first pick, he will mostly defer to Crennel, who'll make the decision whether it's going to be Clowney or Mack.

If OB decides to go QB, McNair will press for Manzel, but will defer to OB if he insists on Bortles.
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I think McNair wants Manziel and BOB likes Bortles. I also think part of the reason the Texans are kind of off the grid is because of internal disagreements.
I agree with you. When a prospect's name gets thrown out a lot I tend to think the team will lean the other way but I can't shake that Bortles is just physically speaking the best fit to what BOB wants. The mental stuff I'm sure BOB is confident he can teach Bortles during the coaching process.
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I think McNair wants Manziel and BOB likes Bortles. I also think part of the reason the Texans are kind of off the grid is because of internal disagreements.
I agree that BOB probably like Bortles. There's a few connections between them.
I bet McNair is losing sleep over Manziel. He's probably just as tantalized by the upside and as terrified by the downside as every other person who's interested in the draft or the NFL. It's certainly has me all over the map.

Maybe if this goes down like the Bowie-Jordan draft, the Texans will end up with the NFL version of Olojuwon.
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I agree that BOB probably like Bortles. There's a few connections between them.
I bet McNair is losing sleep over Manziel. He's probably just as tantalized by the upside and as terrified by the downside as every other person who's interested in the draft or the NFL. It's certainly has me all over the map.

Maybe if this goes down like the Bowie-Jordan draft, the Texans will end up with the NFL version of Olojuwon.
I'd rather get Jordan and Michael Young

with a trade with Cleveland.
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I'd rather get Jordan and Michael Young

with a trade with Cleveland.
But I bet you would be perfectly happy if the Texans draft a 1st ballot HOF'er at 1.1 Thursday night!!

And no trades in this mock!!!
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McNair is going to defer to the coaching staff. O'Brien will make the first decision on whether he wants a QB at 1.1. If he makes the decision to go defense with the first pick, he will mostly defer to Crennel, who'll make the decision whether it's going to be Clowney or Mack.

If OB decides to go QB, McNair will press for Manzel, but will defer to OB if he insists on Bortles.
..........and, meanwhile, Rick Smith is in the sauna............
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You are right. Manziel is the ultimate boom-bust pick.
Every player in this draft is a prospect.

If you select JFF or JaDaveon Clowney, Teddy Bridgewater or Khalil Mack, you have to trust your ability to develop that player. Thousands upon thousands of talented prospects have been in & out of the NFL, hundreds were considered "can't miss" prospects.

If I were looking for a QB, I would not have one problem taking Johnny Manziel & I would not have one concern about not being able to mold him into an NFL QB.

At the same time, I believe I could mold several QBs in this draft into quality NFL starters. & I believe who drafts them is more important than when they are drafted.
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I don't put a lot of stock into what Bayless says, but he's saying what I've said all along. There is something special about Manziel. The guy could transform this franchise. I'm so tired of the Texans not getting any play or respect nationally. Across the U.S., and in Texas, they're considered second tier. Houston fans put them number one, but no one else cares about the team. Johnny makes the Texans relevant nationally. He makes them better at the QB position. Does he have flaws? Yes, a lot of them. Can he improve? Yes. I think the Texans need him.


If I was in the Texans organization, he would be my first pick -- hands down.

But, the Texans won't do it. They will keep the status quo of mediocrity. Drafting a DE is not going to get you to the Super Bowl. The premier teams in the league have star-power -- they always have. Manning, Brady, Elway, Favre -- all have star power and charisma to them. David Carr, Schaub, Tony Banks -- they all did not. Keenum is the only QB ever on the Texans who has had an inkling of star power. The rest have been plain vanilla.

Think about this: Johnny is just 2 inches shorter and weighs about the same as Joe Montana. Montana wasn't the most polished passer out of college. But, the guy had drive and knew how to win. Guys on his team always had his back and believed that he could do it. Aggies who played with Manziel say the same thing.

Texans need to take a chance. But, I will say again -- they don't have the guts to do it. Manziel will make the Texans pay if they don't take him. Book it.
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Every player in this draft is a prospect.

If you select JFF or JaDaveon Clowney, Teddy Bridgewater or Khalil Mack, you have to trust your ability to develop that player. Thousands upon thousands of talented prospects have been in & out of the NFL, hundreds were considered "can't miss" prospects.

If I were looking for a QB, I would not have one problem taking Johnny Manziel & I would not have one concern about not being able to mold him into an NFL QB.

At the same time, I believe I could mold several QBs in this draft into quality NFL starters. & I believe who drafts them is more important than when they are drafted.
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You are right. Manziel is the ultimate boom-bust pick. But, I think his potential to boom is much greater than his potential to bust. I've said that all along.

There are other really great players in the draft, but the QB position is the most influential position on the field. I think if it comes down to a great DE versus a better than average QB in the draft -- you take the QB.
The other QBs don't do it for me. I have questions on all of them, but the fewest on Manziel.
When McNair starts signing a check for you, check back. Until then I'm seeing a new "to me" Manzielot aggie sniffer. JMHO, of course.

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