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Old 04-23-2014   #2581
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Gamecocks defensive coordinator Lorenzo Ward chose to passionately defend Clowney's work ethic.

"I never had an issue with him. If anything, you had to slow him down," Ward said, according to espn.com. "There were days that Coach [Steve] Spurrier would have to tell us to take him off the field or they weren't going to get anything accomplished on offense. And that's the truth because they couldn't get a pass off on him."

Ward, however, was around Clowney on a daily basis for three seasons, and saw none of the effort issues that Clowney is for which the star pass rusher is reputed.
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Gamecocks defensive coordinator Lorenzo Ward chose to passionately defend Clowney's work ethic.

"I never had an issue with him. If anything, you had to slow him down," Ward said, according to espn.com. "There were days that Coach [Steve] Spurrier would have to tell us to take him off the field or they weren't going to get anything accomplished on offense. And that's the truth because they couldn't get a pass off on him."

Ward, however, was around Clowney on a daily basis for three seasons, and saw none of the effort issues that Clowney is for which the star pass rusher is reputed.
This addresses my concerns and, if true, would make him my choice easily. You just don't know how much stock to put into it.
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This addresses my concerns and, if true, would make him my choice easily. You just don't know how much stock to put into it.
We had something similar with Sam Montgomery last year. There was that report that the S&C coach had put up a sign about guys -- including Sam Montgomery -- slacking off and skipping training sessions. That caused people to question Montgomery's work ethic. But then the S&C coach came out and said that it wasn't a big deal, that Sam was a hard worker, that he'd just put up that sign because they'd accidentally missed a workout, no biggie.

But it was a biggie and Montgomery apparently did have issues and shouldn't have been drafted.

I know every case is different and you've got to do your due diligence and check all these guys out, but after a couple of low motor guys not panning out, I'm a little gun-shy.
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We had something similar with Sam Montgomery last year. There was that report that the S&C coach had put up a sign about guys -- including Sam Montgomery -- slacking off and skipping training sessions. That caused people to question Montgomery's work ethic. But then the S&C coach came out and said that it wasn't a big deal, that Sam was a hard worker, that he'd just put up that sign because they'd accidentally missed a workout, no biggie.

But it was a biggie and Montgomery apparently did have issues and shouldn't have been drafted.

I know every case is different and you've got to do your due diligence and check all these guys out, but after a couple of low motor guys not panning out, I'm a little gun-shy.
That's why the in season Spurrier stuff carries more weight with me. In season, it's easier to get an idea of what's going on from a team dynamics standpoint, although it's still not easy. After the season, coaches are simply trying to sell their guys because part of their recruiting pitch is to get guys drafted higher than their rivals. It wouldn't be smart for a coach to bad mouth a player after the season, and also be telling recruits that he gives them the best chance of being drafted high.
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This addresses my concerns and, if true, would make him my choice easily. You just don't know how much stock to put into it.
When you watched Clowney in game situations, you saw him taking plays off, but if his athletic trainer for three years tells you what you saw wasn't what you thought you saw... You're ready to take him with the #1 overall?

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That's why the in season Spurrier stuff carries more weight with me. In season, it's easier to get an idea of what's going on from a team dynamics standpoint, although it's still not easy. After the season, coaches are simply trying to sell their guys because part of their recruiting pitch is to get guys drafted higher than their rivals. It wouldn't be smart for a coach to bad mouth a player after the season, and also be telling recruits that he gives them the best chance of being drafted high.
Help me out here. The in season Spurrier stuff?
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When you watched Clowney in game situations, you saw him taking plays off, but if his athletic trainer for three years tells you what you saw wasn't what you thought you saw... You're ready to take him with the #1 overall?

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Is that a rhetorical question?
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The bullisht flowing both ways, too hate/too love...

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Help me out here. The in season Spurrier stuff?
During the season, Clowney said he was injured and decided to sit out a game. Spurrier called him out... and Victor Hampton, iirc... and said he needed to step up. The question is whether that was just a motivational tactic or if Spurrier really felt like Clowney wasn't committed to playing football. That, along with Clowney coming into the season out of shape, is one of the main sources for why people started looking at his motivation and questioning his motor.
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This is a very good article about Clowney that was written 4 months ago.

Lots of information.....Not a fluff piece. Has good and bad points.

This quote caught my eye.

“Bill Belichick would make a monster out of him,” says an NFC general manager, who likens Clowney’s physical attributes to those of former Patriots outside linebacker Willie McGinest, who was drafted fourth overall by Bill Parcells in 1994.
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During the season, Clowney said he was injured and decided to sit out a game. Spurrier called him out... and Victor Hampton, iirc... and said he needed to step up. The question is whether that was just a motivational tactic or if Spurrier really felt like Clowney wasn't committed to playing football. That, along with Clowney coming into the season out of shape, is one of the main sources for why people started looking at his motivation and questioning his motor.
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When you watched Clowney in game situations, you saw him taking plays off, but if his athletic trainer for three years tells you what you saw wasn't what you thought you saw... You're ready to take him with the #1 overall?

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Well, it speaks to his overall work ethic. If he truly is putting forth that effort in practice and in the weight room, then I would assume that there is more to it.

There's also the injury question though that I forgot about for half a second.
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Gamecocks defensive coordinator Lorenzo Ward chose to passionately defend Clowney's work ethic.

"I never had an issue with him. If anything, you had to slow him down," Ward said, according to espn.com. "There were days that Coach [Steve] Spurrier would have to tell us to take him off the field or they weren't going to get anything accomplished on offense. And that's the truth because they couldn't get a pass off on him."

Ward, however, was around Clowney on a daily basis for three seasons, and saw none of the effort issues that Clowney is for which the star pass rusher is reputed.
Sorry, but this is the most laughable quote I've read about Clowney honestly. If it were true and I could believe it, I would want Clowney more than any other player for sure. This would be a no brainer.

But I'm supposed to believe that Clowney played this way in practice regularly when he wouldn't give anywhere near that effort in ESPN televised games when he was in the Heisman hunt?? Sorry, but that just doesn't really add up.
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Well, it speaks to his overall work ethic. If he truly is putting forth that effort in practice and in the weight room, then I would assume that there is more to it.

There's also the injury question though that I forgot about for half a second.
How is this believable when this guy wouldn't play nearly that hard in Prime time games? I think his coaches are taking the high road at this point and don't want to **** on their player before the draft. That would be horrible for future recruiting. I'm sure he had a practice or two like that over the years though. He has the ability, but I'm not about to believe that he played like this in practice regularly when he clearly didn't in what was obvious as his last year in college. This was basically a contract year for him, and he disappointed the masses.
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But I'm supposed to believe that Clowney played this way in practice regularly when he wouldn't give anywhere near that effort in ESPN televised games when he was in the Heisman hunt?? Sorry, but that just doesn't really add up.
It's pretty easy to see if you bothered to watch the tape; I imagine there isn't much worth is running practices to leave extra help on one guy for 25% of all snaps, minimum.
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It's pretty easy to see if you bothered to watch the tape; I imagine there isn't much worth is running practices to leave extra help on one guy for 25% of all snaps, minimum.
Watched the game tape? Well if that's the case, you clearly didn't watch it. If you did, you'd understand all of the criticism from tons of people across the country. To deny that any of it is relevant is laughable. You go watch the tape for yourself instead of listening to ESPN analysts choke on themselves over his size and stature. That won't do anything in the NFL if you aren't a high motor player at that position, and he clearly wasn't. Funny though, how many of you like to just deny that it exists at all for some reason, but yet you don't hear any of that stuff about a guy like Mack or even Barr for that matter. It's all over the place on CLowney. But people just need to watch the tape right? Lol!
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Watched the game tape? Well if that's the case, you clearly didn't watch it. If you did, you'd understand all of the criticism from tons of people across the country. To deny that any of it is relevant is laughable. You go watch the tape for yourself instead of listening to ESPN analysts choke on themselves over his size and stature. That won't do anything in the NFL if you aren't a high motor player at that position, and he clearly wasn't. Funny though, how many of you like to just deny that it exists at all for some reason, but yet you don't hear any of that stuff about a guy like Mack or even Barr for that matter. It's all over the place on CLowney. But people just need to watch the tape right? Lol!
So I'll take that as a "No, I didn't." Keep making assumptions about Clowney and whomever dares to disagree with your half-baked analysis, Tex.
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How is this believable when this guy wouldn't play nearly that hard in Prime time games? I think his coaches are taking the high road at this point and don't want to **** on their player before the draft. That would be horrible for future recruiting. I'm sure he had a practice or two like that over the years though. He has the ability, but I'm not about to believe that he played like this in practice regularly when he clearly didn't in what was obvious as his last year in college. This was basically a contract year for him, and he disappointed the masses.

You should read the article.

“Looking at him this year compared to last year, it seemed like last year every single play was balls to the wall, hell on wheels,” says the AFC executive. “This year, there’s a lot of plays where he comes off the ball super hard, and if the ball is away he just kind of chills and watches the play. There’s definitely going to be some questions about that.”


Clowney’s watching Marcus Lattimore, the Gamecocks’ star running back, drop from a first-round talent to the fourth round because of a gruesome knee injury last year, and the stars aligned for Clowney’s subpar season—perhaps dropping him from being the first overall pick.

“I don’t see how that is such a factor that a team would take him off their board,” says an AFC scouting director. “Yeah, he’s immature and a young kid, but you can also go against that and say when he had a chance to shut it down, he did decide to come back. I think some of that can be overblown.”

But there’s still a question of how much Clowney lives and breathes football. Those who know him well say he loved to play the game in high school, and during his first two years at Carolina. But this season, with the rib and ankle issues, and teams dedicated to stopping him, Clowney has appeared to grow frustrated on game days.
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How is this believable when this guy wouldn't play nearly that hard in Prime time games? I think his coaches are taking the high road at this point and don't want to **** on their player before the draft. That would be horrible for future recruiting. I'm sure he had a practice or two like that over the years though. He has the ability, but I'm not about to believe that he played like this in practice regularly when he clearly didn't in what was obvious as his last year in college. This was basically a contract year for him, and he disappointed the masses.
He's going to get a top 5 contract, as opposed to a 4-6th rd contract if he would've blown out his knee like Brandon Thomas.

A very good business decision. IMHO
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“Looking at him this year compared to last year, it seemed like last year every single play was balls to the wall, hell on wheels,” says the AFC executive. “This year, there’s a lot of plays where he comes off the ball super hard, and if the ball is away he just kind of chills and watches the play. There’s definitely going to be some questions about that.”


Clowney’s watching Marcus Lattimore, the Gamecocks’ star running back, drop from a first-round talent to the fourth round because of a gruesome knee injury last year, and the stars aligned for Clowney’s subpar season—perhaps dropping him from being the first overall pick.

“I don’t see how that is such a factor that a team would take him off their board,” says an AFC scouting director. “Yeah, he’s immature and a young kid, but you can also go against that and say when he had a chance to shut it down, he did decide to come back. I think some of that can be overblown.”

But there’s still a question of how much Clowney lives and breathes football. Those who know him well say he loved to play the game in high school, and during his first two years at Carolina. But this season, with the rib and ankle issues, and teams dedicated to stopping him, Clowney has appeared to grow frustrated on game days.
Sorry to quote myself. The bolded confuses me. It's stated as if that is abnormal. Lot's of players do this. Hell JJ Watt does it a few times a game. DL men get gassed and walk/slow jog down plays away from them all the time. Clowney never came out of games and teams ran away from him and focused their passing game on quick three step drops. When not doing that they shifted the blocking scheme to max protect against him. Who wouldn't get frustrated in that situation?
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