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Old 04-10-2014   #101
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You should expect to receive some gross exaggerations about Kubiak around here. Even if the Texans passed 70% of the time on 3rd and 4 you'll hear from some that we "always" ran a draw play.
nope, Kubiak saved that play for 3rd and 10...That and the infamous 3 yard under on 3 and 6....
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handswarmer, the best thing you can hope for is that Kubiak becomes like Capers and helps Harbaugh to another championship.

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I think Baltimore became a top ten offensive team when they got Kubiak. He's going to make it easy for Flacco to get the most out of that laser rocket arm.

Make us even more mad we didn't invest more in younger QBs sooner than we did.
The one thing we have lacked is talent at the WR position and a poor Offensive line. With the Zone Blocking scheme being fully implemented, I expect the pass pro and run blocking to be better this year. Also a full year of Monroe at LT, Osemele returns from injury and an upgrade at center should do the trick.
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With a QB like Flacco instead of Schaub, I really don't think for a moment that Kubiak is gonna run the same offense in Baltimore that he ran in Houston.
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With a QB like Flacco instead of Schaub, I really don't think for a moment that Kubiak is gonna run the same offense in Baltimore that he ran in Houston.
He ran the same offense in Denver with QBs similar to Flacco. Don't see why that would change now.
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He ran the same offense in Denver with QBs similar to Flacco. Don't see why that would change now.
Kubiak backed up John Elway not coach him, but that's how far back you'd have to go to find a QB that Kubiak coached or played with to find one with the kind of bazooka that Flacco has.
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Kubiak backed up John Elway not coach him, but that's how far back you'd have to go to find a QB that Kubiak coached or played with to find one with the kind of bazooka that Flacco has.
Kubiak also coached him and was his OC.
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Kubiak also coached him and was his OC.
Including the SB wins.

I don't recall Plummer or Griese having noodle arms either.
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Including the SB wins.

I don't recall Plummer or Griese having noodle arms either.
In addition, according to Mike Shanahan, Kubiak was calling plays during those back-to-back Super Bowl championship seasons.

I think Kubiak is going to do great in Baltimore.
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Including the SB wins.

I don't recall Plummer or Griese having noodle arms either.
And neither one of them had an arm in the same league with Elway and Flacco. But with Flaccos vertical game, it's unlikely Kubiak runs the WCO offense with him that he used in Houston.
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And neither one of them had an arm in the same league with Elway and Flacco. But with Flaccos vertical game, it's unlikely Kubiak runs the WCO offense with him that he used in Houston.
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And neither one of them had an arm in the same league with Elway and Flacco. But with Flaccos vertical game, it's unlikely Kubiak runs the WCO offense with him that he used in Houston.
So after the raven hire Juan Castillo, guru of the ZBS, and then an OC who runs the Zone Blocking Scheme, they will run something different?
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So after the raven hire Juan Castillo, guru of the ZBS, and then an OC who runs the Zone Blocking Scheme, they will run something different?
That's code for "I hate Matt Schaub"

Even though Matt Schaub completed as many passes of 20+ yards in the league as anyone, they're thinking Kubiak's offense suffered because of Schaub.

When in truth, the offense only really struggled last year... it was because of Schaub though.

We ran a lot more boots, I think, with Carr & Sage. Even scored a couple of TDs with the QB rushing off the naked action. We also ran a lot more boots with Schaub prior to 2011. Most likely because of his foot but he also used to fade back on those boots instead of coming back to the LOS for whatever reason.

Anyway.... Flacco may not be a "mobile" QB, but he should be able to get the job done & your offense will most likely look like ours did in 2009~2011
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That's code for "I hate Matt Schaub"

Even though Matt Schaub completed as many passes of 20+ yards in the league as anyone, they're thinking Kubiak's offense suffered because of Schaub.

When in truth, the offense only really struggled last year... it was because of Schaub though.

We ran a lot more boots, I think, with Carr & Sage. Even scored a couple of TDs with the QB rushing off the naked action. We also ran a lot more boots with Schaub prior to 2011. Most likely because of his foot but he also used to fade back on those boots instead of coming back to the LOS for whatever reason.

Anyway.... Flacco may not be a "mobile" QB, but he should be able to get the job done & your offense will most likely look like ours did in 2009~2011
That's what I was thinking...Schaub's foot was more of a hinderance than most people thought...the "passes of 20+ yds" stat is a bit of a misnomer also= how much of that is YAC?

The old offense was a variation of Air Coryell, installed by Cam Cameron- two backs, 2 WR's, 1 TE- simple patterns etc....Greg Cosell once said "it looks like an offense out of the 60's"...

I am excited to see what they can do...
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And neither one of them had an arm in the same league with Elway and Flacco. But with Flaccos vertical game, it's unlikely Kubiak runs the WCO offense with him that he used in Houston.
I'm fairly certain that we ran a ton of PA with deep patterns with Schaub. It's an offense that can produce a ton of yards and nice open looks with a productive run game.
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I'm fairly certain that we ran a ton of PA with deep patterns with Schaub. It's an offense that can produce a ton of yards and nice open looks with a productive run game.
Sure they threw the ball down field some, but if I'm not mistaken Kubiak's WCO emphasized more of an intermediate passing game with boots and passes in the flat, a more horizontal area that featured the tailback and TEs more than a lot of the deeper patters like posts and fly routes that would take the most advantage of a QB with a big gun, and Flacco does indeed have a big-time arm that somebody like Schaub could only dream about.
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Sure they threw the ball down field some, but if I'm not mistaken Kubiak's WCO emphasized more of an intermediate passing game with boots and passes in the flat, a more horizontal area that featured the tailback and TEs more than a lot of the deeper patters like posts and fly routes that would take the most advantage of a QB with a big gun, and Flacco does indeed have a big-time arm that somebody like Schaub could only dream about.
Actually, it was SCHAUB that emphasized that.

Kubiak's offense normally had route combinations that worked short/intermediate/long and it was up to the QB to read which one was open and get it to the right guy. He didn't start dialing up long passes when Keenum was in there... Keenum had the same choice of routes, he just chose to go for the deep guy. And Kubiak didn't stop dialing up the long routes for Schaub; Schaub STOPPED going to the intermediate and long routes and started looking for the short routes more and more... that's why I thought Schaub looked broken. When he stopped challenging teams deep, they started sitting on those short routes. His job was to make them pay deep (because those routes were open) and he didn't do it.

To be able to get to those long routes, you need to have time for them to develop and you've also got to trust your arm. Keenum's problem was that he didn't read the blitzes and he didn't shift the protections or account for the unblocked rushers. So he started off being able to hit the deep balls but then as teams changed what they were doing, he started getting sacked more and more.

Flacco will have plenty of opportunities to stretch the field. And if Ray Rice can acclimate and the running game/boot game get going, Flacco's going to have some time to sit back and really hum some long ones.

My only thing about Flacco is his decision making. He could do really well in this offense but he's got to study and he's got to read the defense.
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Sure they threw the ball down field some, but if I'm not mistaken Kubiak's WCO emphasized more of an intermediate passing game with boots and passes in the flat, a more horizontal area that featured the tailback and TEs more than a lot of the deeper patters like posts and fly routes that would take the most advantage of a QB with a big gun, and Flacco does indeed have a big-time arm that somebody like Schaub could only dream about.
The offense seems to run on a principle of one deep, one intermediate, and then shallow routes to both sides. They like to boot opposite PA and take advantage of over running the fake. I think Gary reduced the O with Schaub, so he's not going to change much.
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The old offense was a variation of Air Coryell, installed by Cam Cameron- two backs, 2 WR's, 1 TE- simple patterns etc....Greg Cosell once said "it looks like an offense out of the 60's"...
Right..... old argument I don't care to rehash. But those were with the ball traveling over 20 yards. He didn't throw as many as others, but he completed just as much if not more.
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