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Old 04-16-2014   #21
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Interesting article. I won't dispute Trump's influence in ultimately dooming the USFL. However, it should also be remembered that the league was already in trouble when he came along, as teams were paying far more for players than they could afford.

Trump advocated a gamble that failed, but the league was doomed because folks just were not interested enough in spring football to make it an economically sustainable model. Instead of trying to be a league that could be a gap between college and NFL, they went head-to-head in competing for players like the AFL did in the 1960's. But, but the 1980's the NFL was much larger, more powerful, and had a lot deeper pockets than they did in the '60's.
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Sure, the USFL was losing money. And sure, the rosters of the Chicago Blitz and Arizona Wranglers were, ahem, traded for one another. And sure, the Breakers would eventually move to Portland (their third city in three seasons) and the Stars to Baltimore. And sure, the members of the San Antonio Gunslingers rushed to the bank on pay day for fear of their checks bouncing, while the Express went bankrupt. And, sure, Rozier was kind of a bust (792 yards as a rookie) and many of the league's quarterbacks were NFL wash-outs (Birmingham's Cliff Stoudt, Philadelphia's Chuck Fusina, Chicago's Vince Evans) and David Dixon -- the man who initially came up with the idea for a USFL -- grew disgusted by the unregulated spending.

Despite all that, the USFL had a chance -- a real chance -- of surviving as a spring entity, of getting past the trial-and-error phase, clamping down upon the spending and simply playing an entertaining genre of football.

Alas, Trump wouldn't allow such a thing.
I don't know how it would have turned out, as they were on shaky ground, but Trump killed any chance they had at firming up their foothold, IMO.
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I don't know how it would have turned out, as they were on shaky ground, but Trump killed any chance they had at firming up their foothold, IMO.
I don't remember all the history, the league just started falling apart but the steak in the heart was the move to a fall league. The USFL might have had another season or two before dying, or maybe have even survived had the stupid move to fall football hadn't happened. People were genuinely beginning to like football in the spring.
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I don't remember all the history, the league just started falling apart but the steak in the heart was the move to a fall league. The USFL might have had another season or two before dying, or maybe have even survived had the stupid move to fall football hadn't happened. People were genuinely beginning to like football in the spring.
This was exactly the way I remembered it!
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I don't know how it would have turned out, as they were on shaky ground, but Trump killed any chance they had at firming up their foothold, IMO.
yep. He was certainly a factor. But, like I said, it was a gamble. And gambles can go two ways. Succeed, and you're a hero. Fail, and you're a goat. His gamble obviously failed, and he became the point man for all the failures of the USFL.

Check this out, before Trump even arrived on the scene:

After deviating from "The Dixon Plan" in the league's inaugural season, the United States Football League was plagued with financial problems and consequently, franchise instability.
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If you read the history of the USFL, Trump was brought in at the end because the league was suffering closure due to financial problems. They needed more rich guys to invest because they were headed for failure. This is why I simply cannot put it all on Trump. It is revisionist history to make it all Trump's fault.

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I don't remember all the history, the league just started falling apart but the steak in the heart was the move to a fall league. The USFL might have had another season or two before dying, or maybe have even survived had the stupid move to fall football hadn't happened. People were genuinely beginning to like football in the spring.
Look at 1983-1985 attendance records. For instance, the Houston Gamblers averaged 28,000 per game in 1984, and 19,000 per game in 1985. Those numbers don't even fill up half of the Astrodome.

More folks were liking spring ball, but it was simply not enough to make the league economically viable when they were paying NFL salaries.

The gamble to the fall schedule was because people like football in the fall.

The USFL was built to eventually merge with the NFL, not to compete head-to-head with it.
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It's interesting to note that the "new" USFL that recently shut down has been bought out by a new large entity. They plan to reorganize and return to the field March 2015 and end in June, just before NFL TC. They will limit the number of players, the number of coaches and the numbers in the each team's executive office, thus making the operational costs more realistic. I hope that this new upstart is successful and breed a new source of developmental players for the NFL.
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As an NFL owner, Trump will WIN! Contrary to popular belief Trump does NOT wear a hair piece. That is his real hair. Believe it or not.
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My only problem with Trump as owner is that even if tries to be a low profile owner(probably not happening) the media will over talk him everything he does or does not do. Think jerry jones plus dan synder times two.
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As an NFL owner, Trump will WIN! Contrary to popular belief Trump does NOT wear a hair piece. That is his real hair. Believe it or not.
Maybe they'll draft Blake Bortles.
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Who Killed the USFL?

I hope this doesn't go through, Trump was a douche in the 80's and he's still a giant douche.
No no. He's not a douche. Douches have a practical purpose and benefit someone. He's more of a toilet that won't flush. Full of crap, will invariably cost you time and possibly money.
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