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Old 04-06-2014   #41
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Hope he beats it. IMO, Kelly is the best QB in Houston pro football history.
I liked him but Moon is still my man.
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Suzzane Somers beat Cancer and she didn't go the Chemotherapy route. I do believe there are many other alternative therapies that one should look into. I hate the word Chemotherapy.

I am very happy for Somer's outcome. She has at least brought attention to the importance of lifestyle (eg., nutrition and excercise). But for those not familiar with all the intricacies of breast cancer, her claims of cure being mainly attributed to her avoidance of chemotherapy and substituting the use "holistic" approaches are very disingenuous and misleading. She was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2001. She had a Stage II cancer diagnosis.............in her specific case, the tumor was confined to the breast, the tumor was ~3cms, and there was NO LYMPH NODE OR DISTANT METASTASIS. She had a lumpectomy to remove the tumor, followed by the maximum allowed radiation therapy to the remainder of her breast. Several of her holistic approaches just simply make natural substitutes for formal treatment (such as bio-edentical hormones for the commercially available hormones). But they have the same implications in the way they act and their risks.

Nonetheless, it is important to understand that if a patient with Stage II breast cancer is treated ONLY with lumpectomy (also referred to as "breast conservation therapy" or BCT) with radiation therapy to that breast, the 10-year breast-cancer-specific survival rates are ~94% for these patients.

Here is a link to the most up-to-date and largest study of patients with breast cancers like Somers.......and their prognosis..........published in January of this year in the Journal of the American Medical Association (Surgery).

In summary, Somers did not require chemotherapy in order to effectively treat her cancer in the first place.

EDIT: I believe that it is important that people understand that Suzanne Somers reluctanctly admitted that she had a lumpectomy and radiation well after presenting the illusion that she had holistic treament or nutrional treatment to treat her cancer. As a surgeon who has at different phases of my career treated hundreds of breast cancer patients surgically for removal and for reconstruction, I feel that Somers has potentially harmed many breast cancer patients by directing them away from well-established, effective, proven treatments.

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My apologies to Porky.......

I inadvertently addressed my response (post #39) to your question with the wrong name, i.e., to "Scooter."
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My apologies to Porky.......

I inadvertently addressed my response (post #39) to your question with the wrong name, i.e., to "Scooter."
My bad!
no worries Dr! I appreciate you taking the time to address my concerns.

I've heard of apricot kernels being effective against cancer, and anything that makes the body more alkaline.
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no worries Dr! I appreciate you taking the time to address my concerns.

I've heard of apricot kernels being effective against cancer, and anything that makes the body more alkaline.
The latter is true.....cancer loves an inflammatory acid environment.

As far as the apricot kernels, beads and gords would be as effective. You may remember back in the 60s and early 70s, patients were going to Laitrile clinics in Mexico by the masses to fight every cancer under the sun. Laitrile was the name given to the apricot kernel treatment. Very few survived their cancers or their treatments. Very few people are unaffected by cyanide, which not only kills cancer cells, but also does a good job of killing normal cells. The main active ingredient in Laitrile, Cyanide, accounts for its main mechanism of active. It was given the disingenuous label of "vitamin B17" to sound completely benign.....you aren't afraid of vitamins, are you????


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The side effects associated with laetrile treatment mirror the symptoms of cyanide poisoning. Cyanide is a neurotoxin that can cause nausea and vomiting, headache,[1] dizziness,[2,3] cyanosis (bluish discoloration of the skin resulting from oxygen-deprived hemoglobin in the blood), liver damage,[4,5] hypotension (abnormally low blood pressure),[1,6,7] ptosis (droopy upper eyelid),[8,9] ataxic neuropathies (difficulty walking caused by damaged nerves),[10] fever,[7,8] mental confusion, coma, and death.[6,11,12] Oral laetrile causes more severe side effects than injected laetrile. These side effects can be potentiated (increased) by the concurrent administration of raw almonds or crushed fruit pits, by eating fruits and vegetables that contain beta-glucosidase (e.g., celery, peaches, bean sprouts, carrots),[3,5,13-15] or by taking high doses of vitamin C.[1,5,16]
Bottom line, if you don't take in "enough," the cancer doesn't die............if you do take in "enough," YOU DIE!
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It appears that Kelly's infection has been contained. Therefore, his chemo/radiation treatment has been able to be started. Today, he has completed his first of three rounds of chemo.......over the next 6 weeks, he will complete the other two (three weeks apart) and undergo daily radiation treatments. After that, they will re-evaluated as to the need for surgery, if the other treatments have not been felt to control the cancer. I don't know that I would even consider surgery in an area that has already been scarified by previous surgery.....and whose blood supply has been further extremely compromised by radiation treatments............wound healing in such a case would be high risk for complications.........without likely changing the ultimate prognosis. Here's to seeing the miracle we're all praying for.
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Some additional facts I've dug up on Kelly's cancer. It appears that the cancer recurrence has been found to be attached to the carotid artery, and is traveling up the Trigeminal nerve. Both of these reflecting that the original surgery left behind cancer. As I've said before, it surprised me that right after the initial surgery, chemo and radiation as an adjunctive therapy were not performed to "clean up" any cancer that may have been left behind (rather than standing on the merits of surgery only (unrealistic for such an empirically aggressive cancer) waiting for an inevitable recurrence (which typically is even more aggressive) . The former structure (carotid artery) is the major blood supply to the face and one side of the brain......cancer invasion of major blood vessels can spread the cancer throughout the body through the blood system. The latter (Trigeminal nerve) is a major cranial sensory nerve that supplies the face......and originates in the brain. Any cancer closely attached to a nerve can spread (metastasize) along the totality of the nerve, in this case, directly to the brain. Since it is a sensory nerve, invasion by cancer, usually creates unbelievable non-relenting and almost impossible to control pain.....at least as severe as Shingles pain. As part of the cancer treatment, it will be hopeful that this pain will be relieved. However, the effects on the pain aspect of this treatment is not expected to take effect immediately. Patients usually respond within 4 to 6 weeks post-treatment. However, some patients require as much as 3 to 8 months for the full response. Most patients remain on full doses of "pain" medication for at least 3 months after treatment.

My heart goes out to Kelly going through what can only be described as Hell.

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As I mentioned above, with "treatment" directed towards the metastatic cancer involvement of major nerves, pain does not have immediate relief, and meanwhile the patient must be given heavy doses of tradition pain medications to affect it at all.....a very terrible process for anyone to have to endure. His family will be his best medicine over the Easter holiday.

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BUFFALO, N.Y. -- Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly is planning to spend this weekend celebrating Easter at home in suburban Buffalo with his family, before returning to New York City to resume treatments for sinus cancer.

Barring any setbacks, Kelly's brother said the former Bills star will travel home Friday before returning on Sunday to resume treatments.

"He's doing pretty good," Dan Kelly told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "We anticipate Jim coming home for this weekend. He's put together a couple of good days in a row."

Dan Kelly said his brother had a rough stretch last week following his first chemotherapy session on April 8. He said the treatments are particularly painful because they're targeting cancer cells attached to nerves in Kelly's maxillary sinus and adjacent tissues.

Kelly is scheduled to have two more chemotherapy sessions and is also having radiation treatment five days a week.

He has spent the past three weeks being treated at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York.
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That's terrible. C'mon Jim, you can do it buddy.
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Some additional facts I've dug up on Kelly's cancer. It appears that the cancer recurrence has been found to be attached to the carotid artery, and is traveling up the Trigeminal nerve. Both of these reflecting that the original surgery left behind cancer. As I've said before, it surprised me that right after the initial surgery, chemo and radiation as an adjunctive therapy were not performed to "clean up" any cancer that may have been left behind (rather than standing on the merits of surgery only (unrealistic for such an empirically aggressive cancer) waiting for an inevitable recurrence (which typically is even more aggressive) . The former structure (carotid artery) is the major blood supply to the face and one side of the brain......cancer invasion of major blood vessels can spread the cancer throughout the body through the blood system. The latter (Trigeminal nerve) is a major cranial sensory nerve that supplies the face......and originates in the brain. Any cancer closely attached to a nerve can spread (metastasize) along the totality of the nerve, in this case, directly to the brain. Since it is a sensory nerve, invasion by cancer, usually creates unbelievable non-relenting and almost impossible to control pain.....at least as severe as Shingles pain. As part of the cancer treatment, it will be hopeful that this pain will be relieved. However, the effects on the pain aspect of this treatment is not expected to take effect immediately. Patients usually respond within 4 to 6 weeks post-treatment. However, some patients require as much as 3 to 8 months for the full response. Most patients remain on full doses of "pain" medication for at least 3 months after treatment.

My heart goes out to Kelly going through what can only be described as Hell.
I have often vowed and will be putting in my written will to not let me suffer like this, or what my uncle went through when he got stage 4 colorectal....prayers to the man...the pain he must be enduring is ungodly.
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