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Old 03-26-2014   #201
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Yeah. Slow and steady wins the race. I mean, look how well we've been doing that since 2002. Look how long our last winning "era" lasted. WoooHooo!

The Texans need to pursue winning like their lives depended on it and with an obsession bordering on unhealthy. I know that's not going to happen but this slow building process crap is just that. Crap. Any process that takes more than three years to start producing wins on a better than .500 level is inadequate in todays game, in my opinion. It can be done in two years and it happens often enough that I don't think it's unreasonable to hope for that.
Hey, man, as long as we're on the right track (and the stadium keeps selling out), I don't see a problem here.

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Yeah. Slow and steady wins the race. I mean, look how well we've been doing that since 2002. Look how long our last winning "era" lasted. WoooHooo!

The Texans need to pursue winning like their lives depended on it and with an obsession bordering on unhealthy. I know that's not going to happen but this slow building process crap is just that. Crap. Any process that takes more than three years to start producing wins on a better than .500 level is inadequate in todays game, in my opinion. It can be done in two years and it happens often enough that I don't think it's unreasonable to hope for that.
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That's what I always felt but not any longer. I'm leaning to the opposite way now. If O'Brien doesn't do great in 2-3 years, can him and start over. If we draft a QB and he ends up looking more like Bradford than Luck...draft another one. My patience ran out with Capers/Carr & Kubiak/Schaub. Close just doesn't cut it for me anymore.
I'm not sure where the two of you are disagreeing with my statement.

I'm not talking about some slow three year rebuild.

I'm talking about shedding the dead weight right now and taking our lumps for one season. Instead of dragging this out into a multi-year rebuild, let's try to get rid of anyone who isn't part of the long term plan and start bringing in guys who are. Will we suck next year? Yeah, probably. But let's get the foundation built right now so we can start to have some continued success around here.
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I'm not sure where the two of you are disagreeing with my statement.

I'm not talking about some slow three year rebuild.

I'm talking about shedding the dead weight right now and taking our lumps for one season. Instead of dragging this out into a multi-year rebuild, let's try to get rid of anyone who isn't part of the long term plan and start bringing in guys who are. Will we suck next year? Yeah, probably. But let's get the foundation built right now so we can start to have some continued success around here.
We're all on the same page. We just have different ways of expressing it.
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I'm not sure where the two of you are disagreeing with my statement.

I'm not talking about some slow three year rebuild.

I'm talking about shedding the dead weight right now and taking our lumps for one season. Instead of dragging this out into a multi-year rebuild, let's try to get rid of anyone who isn't part of the long term plan and start bringing in guys who are. Will we suck next year? Yeah, probably. But let's get the foundation built right now so we can start to have some continued success around here.
This is where I'm at with this.

I'm not in the camp where I expect an immediate turn around. It would be nice. But I'm not expecting more than a season to get this team rebuilt in the O'Brien/RAC mold.
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This is where I'm at with this.

I'm not in the camp where I expect an immediate turn around. It would be nice. But I'm not expecting more than a season to get this team rebuilt in the O'Brien/RAC mold.
Exactly. This 2-14 team is not the same as the 2-14 team Kubiak took over. I don't expect to look at the roster going into 2016 and see 2 members of the 2013 team still present. I expect a substantially better 2014 to mid NFL and then back in the playoff picture as more than a just squeaked in by luck team in 2015.
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how talented was the 2-14 lead by capers compared to dis 2-14 team I guess it might be kinda be different cus kubes 2-14 proved they could win games previous 2 season were 12-4 and 10-6 but they also had a knack for tanking season alla going 9-7 then the following year 6-10

but Capers team before going 2-14 they went 7-9 should of went 8-8 so I think some talent was there
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how talented was the 2-14 lead by capers compared to dis 2-14 team I guess it might be kinda be different cus kubes 2-14 proved they could win games previous 2 season were 12-4 and 10-6 but they also had a knack for tanking season alla going 9-7 then the following year 6-10

but Capers team before going 2-14 they went 7-9 should of went 8-8 so I think some talent was there
Nope. Pro bowler Gary Walker -> career over injury. Domanick Davis -> career over injury. Seth Payne -> career over injury. Kailee Wong -> career over injury. Jamie Sharper -> career over injury. And a Travant for a Carr.
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Nope. Pro bowler Gary Walker -> career over injury. Domanick Davis -> career over injury. Seth Payne -> career over injury. Kailee Wong -> career over injury. Jamie Sharper -> career over injury. And a Travant for a Carr.
I was kinda young during the capers era so I didn't follow player to player but IMO how many pro bowlers does not mean what type of team u have... what I meant did the capers era payers have the potential to be great if givin more time or heck stuck with capers for 8 years ..???
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I was kinda young during the capers era so I didn't follow player to player but IMO how many pro bowlers does not mean what type of team u have... what I meant did the capers era payers have the potential to be great if givin more time or heck stuck with capers for 8 years ..???
It would help if you wrote more clearly.

If what you're asking is if there was talent on the team that would have matured into a great team if Capers had been given more time, the answer is no. What Cak was referring to in the quote you had was that the core players that had given Capers' team a chance were all old and/or broken down. That team had gone as far as it was going to go and no matter who the coach/gm was, they were going to have to infuse the team with new talent almost from top to bottom and that was going to take a couple of years, no matter what happened or who your coach was.

Casserly had drafted so poorly outside of the first round (and even in the first round) that the team had almost no young players being developed.
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I'm not sure where the two of you are disagreeing with my statement.

I'm not talking about some slow three year rebuild.

I'm talking about shedding the dead weight right now and taking our lumps for one season. Instead of dragging this out into a multi-year rebuild, let's try to get rid of anyone who isn't part of the long term plan and start bringing in guys who are. Will we suck next year? Yeah, probably. But let's get the foundation built right now so we can start to have some continued success around here.
I'm not really disagreeing but I see now that it looks like I was. I'm not very eloquent.

When the Texans started out I expected a slow 5 year progression. 2-14, 4-12, 6-10, 8-8, winning record. I was pretty close until they bombed out. I expected the same when Kubiak took over. I just don't care about what happens next year - new system, lots of rookies including HC and possibly QB... I can about year 2. If we aren't competing for the division and/or a playoff spot still in week 15/16 then fire everyone and start over. My patience meter is toast.
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Nope. Pro bowler Gary Walker -> career over injury. Domanick Davis -> career over injury. Seth Payne -> career over injury. Kailee Wong -> career over injury. Jamie Sharper -> career over injury. And a Travant for a Carr.

Wasn't Davis another one of those "got cleared by the Team Doctors but refused to cause he said his knee didn't feel right"


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Wasn't Davis another one of those "got cleared by the Team Doctors but refused to cause he said his knee didn't feel right"
CnD would remember it in more detail but as I recall he was "fully healed" but never could get over the residual pain/instability.
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Wasn't Davis another one of those "got cleared by the Team Doctors but refused to cause he said his knee didn't feel right"
He had no more cartilage left, iirc. He was in a bone-on-bone situation. From what I recall, the docs basically said that he could play... if he could stand the pain.

It wasn't like he wimped out or didn't have the heart for it.
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so we can pretty much agree it will take BOB about 2 years 2 get this team back into championship level team


heck it took Kubes 5 years so yeahhh unless BOB is the next GOAT coach IDK and he does not even have his OWN GM
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Are we rebuilding?

I'm quite certain the 2017 Super Bowl location was discussed in the interview with O'Brien. LOL
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The Texans have remained at 30-1, second in the division to the Indianapolis Colts who checked in at 25-1 on April 7. Tuley cited Indianapolis as a team that might be worth a flier, "unless the Texans finally play up to their potential." The Titans' Super Bowl odds are 60-1 and the Jaguars' are 200-1.

Thanks doc... seems to reitterate what I've been thinking about 2014. We may not be very good. We have huge holes all over our roster, but at least 9 teams on our schedule are as bad, if not worse than we are.

It's an opportunity, I think, to help continue to build the habit of winning. I know OB is going to try to win every game next season. Wouldn't be worth a darn if he didn't. I know the roster isn't going to look exactly like he wants. But he'll deal with it.

I know Andre likes to win, hates to lose. I know Jj & Cush feel the same. We most likely won't be title contenders next season, but we don't need to be to have a winning record against the teams we'll be facing.
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