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Old 04-07-2014   #41
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Oh forgive me. I assumed when you said and I quote "In most drafts there are only 1-2 QBs who will turn out to be solid starters." that out of the whole draft if there were only 1 or 2 solid starting QB's, They would be early first round picks.
Poor assumption. No apologies needed though.
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If he thinks any of them is one of the 1-2 QBs who will end up being solid starters from this draft then take him where you have to and you won't hear me beotching about it.

This is where I put one of your higher standards on the HC/GM. I expect them to have an opinion on who those 1-2 will be and not just go with the draftnik attitude of "well these three are close and then there are four close who may be available in the 2nd so let's picked from who is left at 2.1." Call your shot and you're using a bullet not a hand grenade.

Ok say OB has identified one of these future solid starting QB's. Where do you think he/they would be available? I mean we are talking about a solid future starting QB.
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Ok say OB has identified one of these future solid starting QB's. Where do you think he/they would be available? I mean we are talking about a solid future starting QB.
I don't know which ones he evaluates as a future solid starter.
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To be honest, everything BoB has said publicly about the qb's in this draft & our qb situation points to this. Every time someone asks him about 1 of the top 3, he always goes out of his way to mention a few of the other 2nd tier guys.

I honestly think he's looking past the 1st 3 guys unless 1 of them drops to around 25 or so.

I don't think Grapalo will be there. Someone's gonna reach & get him late in the 1st. My bet on the 2nd tier qb he's targeting is either Mettenberger or Savage. Mettenberger b/c there won't be any pressure there to put him in right away b/c of his late injury, but the potential is definitely there.

& prior to BoB mentioning him, I hadn't heard anything about a Tom Savage.....from anyone. Which tells me he's firmly entrenched as a 2nd round & below prospect that most likely will be there 2:1 when the texans come up.
I ain't no one but did mock Savage several months ago, great size & interesting story of changing colleges & did not play for one he did go to. Not a 1st or 2nd day selection and possibly a 7th or UDFA.

I do like Garoppolo in 2nd but think Manziel is 1-1 barring a trade.
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I didn't leave off jack and you're being a troll now. I explained my reasoning on QBs. That is independent of how anyone else does it.



I stake no claim to QB expertise so I am not wedded to any specific QBs in the draft or at any particular point. The top 3 all have different warts to me, but they all look worthy of consideration so I won't be upset if any of them are taken in the 1st. I am not big on late round (after the 3rd) QBs as anything more than backups. I like what I have seen from Murray and just slightly less Garoppalo - won't be upset if either of them is taken. Don't particularly like Metz and dislike McCarron. But my attitude on picking QBs is wholly dependent on the HC/GM in that order. If he thinks any of them is one of the 1-2 QBs who will end up being solid starters from this draft then take him where you have to and you won't hear me beotching about it. If he doesn't, I would rather see them pass than just take one to take one.

This is where I put one of your higher standards on the HC/GM. I expect them to have an opinion on who those 1-2 will be and not just go with the draftnik attitude of "well these three are close and then there are four close who may be available in the 2nd so let's picked from who is left at 2.1." Call your shot and you're using a bullet not a hand grenade.
I agree with most of this except I think slightly higher of McCarron than you do.

The last paragraph I agree with, but say you have Garappolo rated highly but he's definitely not a 1-1 pick what do you do? You put a value on him, 20-25 IMHO and trade up to get him. I like Murray a lot too, more than 2 of the top 3.
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When Kubes got walked out the building, mcclains insider info left too. He knew kubes from high school and kubes felt confident in throwing him a bone. With O'Brien, he has 0 inside touches. Not saying it won't be a 2nd or 3rd rd qb,but he's guessing like the rest of us.
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The last paragraph I agree with, but say you have Garappolo rated highly but he's definitely not a 1-1 pick what do you do? You put a value on him, 20-25 IMHO and trade up to get him.
That is what I am saying. Pick your guy and then make it happen.

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When Kubes got walked out the building, mcclains insider info left too. He knew kubes from high school and kubes felt confident in throwing him a bone. With O'Brien, he has 0 inside touches. Not saying it won't be a 2nd or 3rd rd qb,but he's guessing like the rest of us.
McClain's insider info left with Casserly and the arrival of Kubiak. Kubiak has shown no affinity for McClain and McClain largely stopped even claiming "sources" within the Texans during Kubiak's tenure.
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& prior to BoB mentioning him, I hadn't heard anything about a Tom Savage.....from anyone. Which tells me he's firmly entrenched as a 2nd round & below prospect that most likely will be there 2:1 when the texans come up.
I think that's safe to say. Seeing that Savage has had a mediocre collegiate career. And that's being free with the term "mediocre". Other than one monster game at Duke, Savage averaged 211 yards passing/game his senior year. Not exactly the caliber of player a new coach would be building around, I don't think.
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McClain's insider info left with Casserly and the arrival of Kubiak. Kubiak has shown no affinity for McClain and McClain largely stopped even claiming "sources" within the Texans during Kubiak's tenure.
This is correct. And McClain never claimed he got this via inside information. He was just repeating a conversation he had with a veteran scout. He totally disagrees with what the scout had to say. According to him! Obviously it all could be made up but seems a little far fetched that he would just make something up like this.

So if true this scout REALLY believes he knows who it is we are targeting at QB position. Wonder why????
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That is what I am saying. Pick your guy and then make it happen.



McClain's insider info left with Casserly and the arrival of Kubiak. Kubiak has shown no affinity for McClain and McClain largely stopped even claiming "sources" within the Texans during Kubiak's tenure.
If you remember, for years when McClain didn't have insight for what was going on with the Texans, he would throw out that he was technically covering the entire NFL for the Chronicle.....not focused on the Texans. Since he has admitted to being assigned to covering and being the main Texans writer, I have seen no improvement in his clairvoyance.
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I think that's safe to say. Seeing that Savage has had a mediocre collegiate career. And that's being free with the term "mediocre". Other than one monster game at Duke, Savage averaged 211 yards passing/game his senior year. Not exactly the caliber of player a new coach would be building around, I don't think.
Yeah, I watched him play last year in the ACC. I was not impressed.
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anyone think that all this talk is possible leaks from the texans so that i guy there interested in drops???
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anyone think that all this talk is possible leaks from the texans so that i guy there interested in drops???
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I was just being a smartace there...

Overall, fans and draftniks think that their speculation about the event is more important than the event itself. By the strictest definition the event (the draft) is cannot be wrong. There is no real reach or person who fell far or was drafted too early. Where the player is or is not drafted is the actual fact. What we do for 6 months is various level guessing from wild ass to fairly educated, but they are all guesses that normally prove wrong usually by pick 5 overall.


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This is correct. And McClain never claimed he got this via inside information. He was just repeating a conversation he had with a veteran scout. He totally disagrees with what the scout had to say. According to him! Obviously it all could be made up but seems a little far fetched that he would just make something up like this.

So if true this scout REALLY believes he knows who it is we are targeting at QB position. Wonder why????
This is the month where you can tell they are lying by noticing lip movement.

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No way.
Garoppolo has been shooting up the lay person's boards lately, so if the scout may be "disclosing" info to McClain in this manner, it's having the opposite effect on Garoppolo. I think this is just McClain's way to use the draft to sell his pov and land spots on the NFL network and such.
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If you remember, for years when McClain didn't have insight for what was going on with the Texans, he would throw out that he was technically covering the entire NFL for the Chronicle.....not focused on the Texans. Since he has admitted to being assigned to covering and being the main Texans writer, I have seen no improvement in his clairvoyance.
With the way this franchise has traditionally circled the wagons and kept all cards close to their chest, it is not surprising that a blabbermouth and media whore like McClain finds himself on the outside looking in.

His war stories are great, but they do reveal a flaw in his reporting. He's an old school cat who used to go drinking with Oilers GMs and personnel, so his information would come from personal connections.

But the Texans operate like a modern corporation. They were created in the age of the modern NFL in full bloom, so there is little doubt that they way they operate is probably fundamentally different than the way the Oilers used to conduct business. Heck, over 12 seasons already, and we are all still in the dark on basic power structure on Kirby.
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McClain was just on saying it's Clowney if they stay at #1:

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It would've been the right pick in 2002, was the right pick in 2006, will be the consensus in 2014 to go DE.
But he thinks they trade out of it.

Had a great quip about Manziel... said "all of Europe" wants the Jaguars to draft JFF because they play in London and everyone over there loves Johnny Football. His jersey sales will be historic.
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But he thinks they trade out of it.

Had a great quip about Manziel... said "all of Europe" wants the Jaguars to draft JFF because they play in London and everyone over there loves Johnny Football. His jersey sales will be historic.
All of europe? I think 99% of europe has never heard of JFF. American Football is still a nyche here, NFL Europe didn`t really work out. I know the London games are pretty successful, but IŽd say that for one, the NFL is most popular in the UK as far as europe is concerned and I think that just all people that always wanted to see a game life try to do it there. Oh and, while the NFL is a nyche, college football is only something for "freaks" over here.

I think what he is saying is pretty clear, at least after McNairs comments. Clowney is the best player, if they stay put they`ll take him - but if they get any trade offer that is at least a bit appealing, they`ll trade out, because they`d greatly prefer to take a QB (which they can`t justify with the #1 pick).

IŽd be ecstatic with a trade down - and IŽd hope we`d still get Robinson, Manziel or Mack - Matthews would be fine too. I am still not in the Bortles camp. IŽd be thrilled if we got Bridgewater with our second pick...
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All of europe? I think 99% of europe has never heard of JFF. American Football is still a nyche here...
He said you guys get college football over there?
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McClain was just on saying it's Clowney if they stay at #1:



But he thinks they trade out of it.

Had a great quip about Manziel... said "all of Europe" wants the Jaguars to draft JFF because they play in London and everyone over there loves Johnny Football. His jersey sales will be historic.
Good Lord that's the funniest thing ever. I mean barely anyone outside of Texas has heard of Manziel. Europe? Bwahahhahha
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McClain was just on saying it's Clowney if they stay at #1...
This doesn't sit right with me. Johnny Mac all of a sudden on the Clowney train?

My spidey senses are tingling.
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