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Old 03-04-2014   #321
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"We" didn't want Mario on this team with an $18M cap hit, regardless how many sacks & TFL he produced.
"We" saw Mario not make the probowl in 4 of his 6 years with the Texans and never be an all pro or defensive player of the year. Pretty sure "we" sees that ain't JJ.
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"We" saw Mario not make the probowl in 4 of his 6 years with the Texans and never be an all pro or defensive player of the year. Pretty sure "we" sees that ain't JJ.
At the time the conversation was "no one" was worth that kind of money. Which is what I believed then, & believe today.

So..... how much would you offer Jj Watt?
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So..... how much would you offer Jj Watt?
Whatever it takes to keep him in a Texans uniform.

He's one of McNair's "legacy" players. Andre Johnson is the other one.
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At the time the conversation was "no one" was worth that kind of money. Which is what I believed then, & believe today.

So..... how much would you offer Jj Watt?
I was against re-signing Mario because I thought he would get a 90 million dollar offer, and didn't think he was worth it. However, just because Mario wasn't worth 16 million per year, doesn't mean no one can be.

JJ Watt is the face of the franchise, the best defensive player in the NFL 2 years in a row, only 25 years old, and I think he would be worth 16m APY if he asked for that much. I don't think he will cost that much, but it wouldn't be completely crazy to pay him that. I'd guess he winds up costing about 14 million APY (5 years 70m), but if they spread out the signing bonus over his 5th year of his rookie deal, they can reduce the future cap hit a little.
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At the time the conversation was "no one" was worth that kind of money. Which is what I believed then, & believe today.
That was part of the conversation by some. I think more people thought Bills money was too much for him.

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Whatever it takes to keep him in a Texans uniform.

He's one of McNair's "legacy" players. Andre Johnson is the other one.
DB nailed it. Barring an injury JJ will be made the highest paid DE in football at the time of signing of his contract just as AJ has been the highest paid WR at the signing of two of his contracts. How much that is exactly I don't know. We have leverage to wait if we want (thereby minimizing the risk of injury not dollars). Now is not the offseason to do it with limited cap room and big jumps coming in future years. No point in spending all this year's cap room on a currently locked up asset thus limiting other chances to improve the team.

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I'd guess he winds up costing about 14 million APY (5 years 70m), but if they spread out the signing bonus over his 5th year of his rookie deal, they can reduce the future cap hit a little.
I think that is about where the apy will end up.

Not sure what you are talking about on the 5th year rookie deal. Signing bonus can't be prorated over more than 5 years but that may not be what you are suggesting.
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I think that is about where the apy will end up.

Not sure what you are talking about on the 5th year rookie deal. Signing bonus can't be prorated over more than 5 years but that may not be what you are suggesting.
Yeah, so if you have a total of 6 years on a deal, 1 current year plus the 5 year extension, you can start the prorated signing bonus caphit in the current year and play it out over the first 4 of the extension. So it's over 5 years, but only 4 of the years of the extension, which lessens the caphit per year over time. It's a not a huge deal, but it makes it a little easier to swallow the mega-contract if you can drop 5 million of it into that first year. It also helps protect the team a little by making it easier to let the player go towards the end of the deal if they are underperforming.

Example - 5 year 70m extension with 25m signing bonus (14m APY):
2015: 6 million salary (5th year rookie tag) + 5 million signing bonus = 11m
2016: 7 million salary + 5 million signing bonus = 12m
2017: 7 million salary + 5 million signing bonus = 12m
2018: 7 million salary + 5 million signing bonus = 12m
2019: 7 million salary + 5 million signing bonus = 12m
2020: 17 million salary

You could also move around the salary to add more to the backend, or even it out more. A good GM would convert some of the salary to roster and workout bonuses too, maybe 500k a year. But with this extension, JJ Watt gets 25 million in cash at the end of his rookie deal, so he's not pissed off about playing a 5th year for only ~6 million bucks. This would give him 31 million dollars in 2015, and the 25 million signing bonus would be earned under Texas state law, and free from state taxes. The other 6 million would be salary, and be subject to state taxes depending on game locations.
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OK - looks like the being able to cut sooner is the biggest advantage.
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Doesn't the salary cap increase like 10 million this year? It's expected to increase a little next year as well.
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Whatever it takes to keep him in a Texans uniform.

He's one of McNair's "legacy" players. Andre Johnson is the other one.
Indeed. No team in the league would let watt go
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Maybe tk "grades" JJ Watt the same way he "grades" college football players he doesn't even watch. I do with tk like I do with Marshall and Norg, ignore them.

Anyone saying you shouldn't make a market-value offer to the best defensive player in football obviously doesn't have much sense at all.
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I'm getting pretty worried. We've only got ONE DL left........and he's looking awfully scrawny these days!

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I'm getting pretty worried. We've only got ONE DL left........and he's looking awfully scrawny these days!

i wish i was that kind of scrawny
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Yeah but, next to JJ the most of fish look scrawny.
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JJ photobombs Russell Wilson & fan at NCAA Final Four Wisconsin game.


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JJ Watt is a great pick. He should of been the second player on the Texans board.
I had him ranked number two on my big board behind Darius. The only reaso. I had Darius higher was because of need. Thought we needed a NT more than a DE.
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I had him ranked number two on my big board behind Darius. The only reaso. I had Darius higher was because of need. Thought we needed a NT more than a DE.
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JJ is up to his old tricks. The guy is making a strong case for Sainthood. Maybe the first guy recognized in Canton and the Vatican.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...thing-awesome/

It's gonna take a big check to keep this guy in Deep Steel Blue, Battle Red, and Liberty White, but I hope McNair/Smith figure it out.
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