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Old 04-05-2014   #41
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If Newton wasn't here, everyone would know we were targeting Greg Robinson. That's the only thing that makes sense.
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If Newton wasn't here, everyone would know we were targeting Greg Robinson. That's the only thing that makes sense.
Yeah, the Texans are going to draft a RT #1 overall. That's just silly. LOL
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Most likely, those incentives were simply tied to games played specifically at RT. With his short arms, at the Draft for that reason Newton was deemed by many to project better at guard. Of course, the Texans have shown that they are willing to try short-armers at RT (Winston).
That would make sense. I could not figure out why they kept plugging him in there anyway when I felt like Harris was doing a better job than Newton.

I guess the short arms are the problem then because Winston while better than Newton at pass protection left a lot to be desired. Winston was certainly better in run blocking than Newton.

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It's still the offseason, with the draft and June 1st cuts to go. Let's wait before we panic about the RT position. I'm sure O' Brien has something in mind.
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If Newton wasn't here, everyone would know we were targeting Greg Robinson. That's the only thing that makes sense.
I don't see the Texans taking an OT 1:1 and the only way I see us ending up with Robinson is if we trade back, then it might be a possibility, but very low possibility. I think the Texans already have their board in place, and the only thing that will change it at this point is a blockbuster trade, which is still possible.
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Newton was raw when he got here and maybe he never got coached up. He is a big guy and with the right coaching he could be a good player. You can't teach that kind of size and he did come from a small school.
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with the amount of passing and the increasing number of teams that are attempting to use above average pass rushers from both sides (not just the blind side), I don't think having elite pass protecting OTs on both sides is as silly a notion as it would have been a decade ago.
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with the amount of passing and the increasing number of teams that are attempting to use above average pass rushers from both sides (not just the blind side), I don't think having elite pass protecting OTs on both sides is as silly a notion as it would have been a decade ago.
& with the new CBA it opens the possibility to draft a lot of other positions. In the past, it was either a QB, LT, WR, DE, or CB because guys like Sam Bradford were coming into the league making more money than Tom Brady without ever throwing a pass.

Eric Fisher (last years #1 overall selection) had a cap number smaller than Eric Winstons had here in 2011. If people didn't have a problem paying Eric Winston $5M & would love to bring him back for $5M, it doesn't make sense to me not to draft Robinson.

& just because he plays RT doesn't make him a RT. He most likely will be better than Duane Brown when it's all said & done. People get all wet thinking about Jj Watt on one side & Clowney on the other. For me, thinking about Duane Brown on one side & Robinson on the other makes it wiggle.

We'll score on 80% of our possessions, or damn near. No matter how bad our defense is, it's going to be hard for other teams to keep up.
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We'll score on 80% of our possessions, or damn near. No matter how bad our defense is, it's going to be hard for other teams to keep up.
Without looking at anything name the top 5 RTs in the league?
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Without looking at anything name the top 5 RTs in the league?
Well theres... & ....

Again, I want to draft the best OT in the draft. If he's better than Brown..... he's better than Brown. If not, he's a RT & I'm fine with that, even if I can't name the five best in the league (kind of embarrassing that I was stumped at one though).

Actually, I want to draft the best player available, who is Watkins, but I think Robinson would help us more. I don't want Clowney or the QBs.
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Well theres... & ....

Again, I want to draft the best OT in the draft. If he's better than Brown..... he's better than Brown. If not, he's a RT & I'm fine with that, even if I can't name the five best in the league (kind of embarrassing that I was stumped at one though).

Actually, I want to draft the best player available, who is Watkins, but I think Robinson would help us more. I don't want Clowney or the QBs.
Well it's hard to judge what a great RT will do for a team or where they come from if they can't be named.

It also illustrates another consideration, not one that bars the pick but something to think about. Two WRs, DEs, LBs, DBs on a team can shine and get limelight. Julio Jones, Houshyourmama and Boldin are names casual fans know. Only the most fanatical fans know who the top RTs are and they essentially never get pro bowl or all pro accolades. A dude taken at 1.1 is going to want that plus it isn't just ego but bonuses are often tied to pro bowls and all pro selections so there is a very real monetary effect.
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Well it's hard to judge what a great RT will do for a team or where they come from if they can't be named.

It also illustrates another consideration, not one that bars the pick but something to think about. Two WRs, DEs, LBs, DBs on a team can shine and get limelight. Julio Jones, Houshyourmama and Boldin are names casual fans know. Only the most fanatical fans know who the top RTs are and they essentially never get pro bowl or all pro accolades. A dude taken at 1.1 is going to want that plus it isn't just ego but bonuses are often tied to pro bowls and all pro selections so there is a very real monetary effect.
The casual fan probably can't name the top 5 offensive guards either, doesn't take away how important they can be for a football team. I'm saying the best OT in this draft will help our team, because I feel really good about what we have in Brown, Myers, & Brooks. & I think the best OT in the draft can help our QB, whoever he may be, get the time he needs to do his job. The best OT in the draft can help open holes for Foster & whoever his back up is going to be. The best OT in this draft will give all the receivers more time to get open.

And unlike the best DE in the draft, the best OT gives us depth at the LT position. If Jj Watt goes down, having Clowney isn't going to help us one bit. If Cushing gets hurt, I can see the best ILB taking his spot.

But still, I think the OT will have the biggest impact on our team.... it's not pretty, but this is football.
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The casual fan probably can't name the top 5 offensive guards either, doesn't take away how important they can be for a football team. I'm saying the best OT in this draft will help our team, because I feel really good about what we have in Brown, Myers, & Brooks. & I think the best OT in the draft can help our QB, whoever he may be, get the time he needs to do his job. The best OT in the draft can help open holes for Foster & whoever his back up is going to be. The best OT in this draft will give all the receivers more time to get open.
You see any OGs being taken at the top of the draft?

The 2nd best OT can't do any of those things you say the best will do?

I agree a solution at RT is one of the top priorities for this offseason. I just disagree with what you want to spend, your impact estimate and the rosy picture you paint of having Brown and Robinson as a tandem for any length of time.
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^^^ This.

The NFL is constantly changing. A decade ago, I wouldn't have considered drafting a guy to play RT at 1-1.

But now?

It's affordable. If that's the position that's going to make the biggest impact, then go for it.
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The NFL is constantly changing. A decade ago, I wouldn't have considered drafting a guy to play RT at 1-1.

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It's affordable. If that's the position that's going to make the biggest impact, then go for it.
Maybe. If you have a franchise QB. Right now the Texans have Ryan Fitzpatrick and Case Keenum. Spending the 1st pick in the draft on an OT seems like the cart before the horse.

RT will not make the biggest impact. Not even Manning or Brady have 2 1st round picks at OT. And they are worth that investment. First things first. Get a QB worth protecting.
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Maybe. If you have a franchise QB. Right now the Texans have Ryan Fitzpatrick and Case Keenum. Spending the 1st pick in the draft on an OT seems like the cart before the horse.

RT will not make the biggest impact. Not even Manning or Brady have 2 1st round picks at OT. And they are worth that investment. First things first. Get a QB worth protecting.
This is the problem for me as I don't want any of these QBs at 1-1 & if no other way would prob go Manziel. Look guys, Moses in 2nd or Jawuan James 3-1 resolves RT. So...1-1 ? 2-1 Garoppolo Qb 3-1 James
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Maybe. If you have a franchise QB. Right now the Texans have Ryan Fitzpatrick and Case Keenum. Spending the 1st pick in the draft on an OT seems like the cart before the horse.

RT will not make the biggest impact. Not even Manning or Brady have 2 1st round picks at OT. And they are worth that investment. First things first. Get a QB worth protecting.
If there's no franchise QB in the draft, why NOT create the strongest line possible? That way, our less-than-stellar QBs can do better work. AND when we do get our Franchise guy (assuming that we will), he won't get killed because of a porous line.

Manning and Brady don't NEED 2 1st round picks at OT. We don't have Manning or Brady and we're not going to get either of them in this draft. Ryan Fitzpatrick, otoh, could really use 2 1st round picks at OT.

I don't see a QB in this draft that's worth protecting. At least, not without a whole lot of development.
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This is the problem for me as I don't want any of these QBs at 1-1 & if no other way would prob go Manziel. Look guys, Moses in 2nd or Jawuan James 3-1 resolves RT. So...1-1 ? 2-1 Garoppolo Qb 3-1 James
If you go Robinson at 1-1 and Garoppolo at 2-1, then Garoppolo will be able to be developed without him worrying about someone getting a free-runner at him on every pass play. That way he won't get shell-shocked and turn into Blaine Gabbert or David Carr.

Although, frankly, I don't expect us to go Robinson 1-1 because I think OB likes Quess at RT.

But I don't think taking Robinson should be dismissed out of hand. It's a legitimate possibility.
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If you go Robinson at 1-1 and Garoppolo at 2-1, then Garoppolo will be able to be developed without him worrying about someone getting a free-runner at him on every pass play. That way he won't get shell-shocked and turn into Blaine Gabbert or David Carr.

Although, frankly, I don't expect us to go Robinson 1-1 because I think OB likes Quess at RT.

But I don't think taking Robinson should be dismissed out of hand. It's a legitimate possibility.
anything solid to Q moving to RT? Still seems like LG but I have nothing from new staff to support. Also, if Q is RT who plays LG? Brandon Thomas at 4-1 would be perfect and he can play OT also.
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I would have no problems with

1. Clowney
2.Moses
3.Savage


Although I really like Garappollo a lot.

Or

1.Clowney
2. Garappolo
3. Brandon Thomas

They may have to trade up a bit to get Thomas. I've got him in the 45-55 range. What would be the cost of moving up 10-12 spots into the 2nd rd?
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