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Old 04-05-2014   #21
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I think this on Bob two times he has chosen the wrong GM and the wrong coach.
I think what we see in the NFL is that it's all about getting lucky. You have to have the right coaching staff with the right GM and the right QB and then, things have to bounce your way and you're still screwed if you get hit by injuries to the wrong guys.

The Patriots got lucky when their all-pro QB got injured and he was replaced by Tom Brady. They got lucky with the tuck rule. And then they won the SB. The next year, that team didn't even make the playoffs.

That "great" dynastic team of Belichik and Brady still hasn't been able to win a SB in the past 9 seasons.

The fans of NY have wanted to ditch Tom Coughlin many times. Eli Manning is not nearly the QB his brother is... but... given a little luck at the right time, they've won more SBs together than Peyton Manning has been able to win.

It's not just that McNair hasn't chosen the right guys (and gotten lucky), it's that it's extremely difficult to do and there is no easy/right answer. If there was some obviously right way to do it, more teams would win the SB more often.
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I think this on Bob two times he has chosen the wrong GM and the wrong coach.
8 years.

In 8 years, we've gone from a failed expansion team, to a back to back play off team, to a team that's got some issues.

I know if you believe the negative nancies on this board, we're 7 years & 33 starters away from competing for the division, but I don't think we're quite that bad. Could another coach/GM do a better job that Gary & Rick... I don't know. Cleveland, Jacksonville, and Carolina don't look much better, if any, than the Texans over that 8 year period.

I know we didn't win the Super Bowl, but the three time Super Bowl Champion New England Patriots didn't in that time span either. It's just not as easy as some would have you believe.

We took a shot & we had a window, things just didn't work out. Hopefully Bob has made the right moves to keep that window from going completely shut. We're missing 2 starters on offense (OD & Wade). Four starters on defense (Manning, Antonio, Mitchell, & Mays/Sharpton) .

This is not insurmountable.

I guarantee you if we somehow manage to get to 9-3, there will be people complaining about how weak our schedule is & how we don't have any quality wins.
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Cleveland, Jacksonville, and Carolina don't look much better, if any, than the Texans over that 8 year period.
Haven't won 2 playoff games 2006 - 2013:
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I know what you're trying to say, but I don't believe there is one name on that list that, given a choice of teams, we would truly want to identify with.
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I know what you're trying to say, but I don't believe there is one name on that list that, given a choice of teams, we would truly want to identify with.
I didn't say we shouldn't aim higher. The point is people often have unfounded perceptions and therefore expectations. Half the league has done worse during the Kubiak era. I'll bet you if a poll had been posted asking that question the results would have been a resounding no as in 90%.
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I didn't say we shouldn't aim higher. The point is people often have unfounded perceptions and therefore expectations. Half the league has done worse during the Kubiak era. I'll bet you if a poll had been posted asking that question the results would have been a resounding no as in 90%.
Won't disagree with that.
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I know what you're trying to say, but I don't believe there is one name on that list that, given a choice of teams, we would truly want to identify with.
& we shouldn't. We should identify with the teams that have won more than 2 play off games since 2006.
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Haven't won 2 playoff games 2006 - 2013:
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Browns On our schedule
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Ten games on our 2014 schedule will be against teams on that list. I'm not saying that we will, or even that we should win those games, just saying, we're not playing the best of the best in 2014.
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I think what we see in the NFL is that it's all about getting lucky. You have to have the right coaching staff with the right GM and the right QB and then, things have to bounce your way and you're still screwed if you get hit by injuries to the wrong guys.

The Patriots got lucky when their all-pro QB got injured and he was replaced by Tom Brady. They got lucky with the tuck rule. And then they won the SB. The next year, that team didn't even make the playoffs.

That "great" dynastic team of Belichik and Brady still hasn't been able to win a SB in the past 9 seasons.

The fans of NY have wanted to ditch Tom Coughlin many times. Eli Manning is not nearly the QB his brother is... but... given a little luck at the right time, they've won more SBs together than Peyton Manning has been able to win.

It's not just that McNair hasn't chosen the right guys (and gotten lucky), it's that it's extremely difficult to do and there is no easy/right answer. If there was some obviously right way to do it, more teams would win the SB more often.
I may not know the right way to do it but I know the wrong way to do it, especially if Corrosion is correct and Rick Smith is/was in charge of talent procurement and signed off on the Schaub/Foster/Cushing contracts.

Tell me how anybody can say in 1 breath the McNair's put winning 1st and in the next justify Rick Smith keeping his job.
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I may not know the right way to do it but I know the wrong way to do it, especially if Corrosion is correct and Rick Smith is/was in charge of talent procurement and signed off on the Schaub/Foster/Cushing contracts.

Tell me how anybody can say in 1 breath the McNair's put winning 1st and in the next justify Rick Smith keeping his job.
How do you know that Rick Smith is keeping his job?
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I think what we see in the NFL is that it's all about getting lucky. You have to have the right coaching staff with the right GM and the right QB and then, things have to bounce your way and you're still screwed if you get hit by injuries to the wrong guys.

The Patriots got lucky when their all-pro QB got injured and he was replaced by Tom Brady. They got lucky with the tuck rule. And then they won the SB. The next year, that team didn't even make the playoffs.

That "great" dynastic team of Belichik and Brady still hasn't been able to win a SB in the past 9 seasons.

The fans of NY have wanted to ditch Tom Coughlin many times. Eli Manning is not nearly the QB his brother is... but... given a little luck at the right time, they've won more SBs together than Peyton Manning has been able to win.

It's not just that McNair hasn't chosen the right guys (and gotten lucky), it's that it's extremely difficult to do and there is no easy/right answer. If there was some obviously right way to do it, more teams would win the SB more often.


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Tell me how anybody can say in 1 breath the McNair's put winning 1st and in the next justify Rick Smith keeping his job.
He disagrees with your assessment of Rick Smith.

To state what should be obvious, sometimes folks with the same goal differ on how best to get there.
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He disagrees with your assessment of Rick Smith.

To state what should be obvious, sometimes folks with the same goal differ on how best to get there.
2-14 + 11 yrs of mediocrity at best.

Do you trust him/them to get it right?
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I may not know the right way to do it but I know the wrong way to do it, especially if Corrosion is correct and Rick Smith is/was in charge of talent procurement and signed off on the Schaub/Foster/Cushing contracts.

Tell me how anybody can say in 1 breath the McNair's put winning 1st and in the next justify Rick Smith keeping his job.
I have & had no problem with those contracts; Schaub/Foster/Cushing... That was a big part of our Super Bowl winning team. Put Aj in there too. We're just lucky he's proven to be as durable as he has. OD as well. We could have & should have won the Super Bowl with those guys (& several others), it just didn't work out. Can't blame Rick Smith if those guys get hurt. Schaub looked completely healthy to me, I don't think his issues are LisFranc related. Foster's going to be fine & a top rusher in this league again. Cushing latest injury has absolutely nothing to do with his previous injury. It's not like a complication from his previous knee injury... he took a helmet to the knee. If the first never occurred, he'd still be out.

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How do you know that Rick Smith is keeping his job?
Do you really believe BoB/Cal are going to fire Rick Smith before next season?

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2-14 + 11 yrs of mediocrity at best.

Do you trust him/them to get it right?
We will never agree that winning the division and playoff wins are mediocrity and I don't have a choice in whether to trust them. Neither do you.

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Really? Or are you being argumentative?
While this might make sense to question for other teams I really can't see why you are incredulous about the Texans since that is precisely what happened for the last GM change.
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What did he do with Casserly?
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We will never agree that winning the division and playoff wins are mediocrity and I don't have a choice in whether to trust them. Neither do you.



While this might make sense to question for other teams I really can't see why you are incredulous about the Texans since that is precisely what happened for the last GM change.
You're correct neither of us do. However calling out failure should be trumpeted. (Circa 2010) Now the Texans org is still sitting in a worse situation than the were in 2010. They're in 2006 territory. I know that we will never agree. But the Texans have been badly mismanaged, see 2-14.

So you're telling me that Rick Smith wont be the GM next season. Would you care to make a bet on that?
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What did he do with Casserly?
Would you like to make a bet on the McNair's firing Rick Smith before next season? Easy $$$$
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So you're telling me that Rick Smith wont be the GM next season. Would you care to make a bet on that?
I'm sorry, where did you see a prediction? What I said is its a possibility and not the absurdity you portrayed it as.
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