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Old 04-04-2014   #21
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It makes plenty of sense, if you're penny pinching instead of trying to put the best product on the field as possible. How long did it take for the Bengals to sing Manning?
I wouldn't look to the Bengals as an example of a team that isn't penny pinching just because they signed Manning. They're $27 million under the cap (http://www.cincyjungle.com/2014/3/10...014-salary-cap) and have always been known as one of the most penny-pinching franchises in the league. When Joseph signed here he even said they have vending machines in the locker room instead of providing free Gatorade to the players.
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I know OD failed his physical, but he is healthy enough now, less than a month later, to be signed by Baltimore.
He did indeed and was released. His signing with Baltimore is also dependent on his passing their physical as well. It's not a DONE DEAL yet.
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cus hes young and cheap


we can cut him after the draft or before the 53 man roster cut does not matter
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Where is this number coming from? Newton signed a 4 year, $2.1 million deal as a rookie in 2011. This is the last year of his contract at $645,000. Newton made an additional $175k in "performance pay" last year. No, I'm not joking.

The Texans would take a dead money cap hit of about $15k ($60k/4) with a net savings of about 630k if Newton is released. Not much there. The Texans haven't signed any OTs, and the draft is still a month away. No need to make that move now. And as BigBull suggests, the Texans may want to look at Newton at guard.
I got that number from OverTheCap.
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Maybe O'Brien realizes that Newton played all of last season injured and wants to see what Newton can do coming into training camp fully healthy. I'm sure there will be competition at RT and that it won't just be given to Newton, he'll have to earn it if he plays the position. Newton is also young, cheap, has 2 yrs. of experience at the RT position and we have to have 90 players on the roster for training camp anyway.
Like most around here, I wasn't impressed with his play last year......in fact, I thought it was horrible. But at the same time if you remember, I kept on pointing out that he was never given a reasonable time to rehab after his patellar tendon surgery before forcing into play. This type of surgery is bad enough for a small player, but it is especially onerous for a big tackle who is expected to have good mobility. He will have had his deserved rehab time over the offseason to prove after the Draft that his injury was the main factor in his poor play......or only part of the problem, to which he may be more seriously considered at guard.......or that it was none of the problem to which he is just down right horrible. As the money involved is not the driving force, we and OB will find out certainly by the last cut.
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Because Newt's can come in handy sometimes.
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Yea the recent signing of players like Ryan Fitzpatrick, I find myself confused regarding what O'Brien is up to, but nothing even comes close to wondering why Derek Newton is still a Texan. I can find no justification for keeping that guy around.

I have read posts calling for blood after last seasons disaster. Yet I hear no one calling for this guys head. Why not? Someone please explain this to me.

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Where is this number coming from? Newton signed a 4 year, $2.1 million deal as a rookie in 2011. This is the last year of his contract at $645,000. Newton made an additional $175k in "performance pay" last year. No, I'm not joking.

The Texans would take a dead money cap hit of about $15k ($60k/4) with a net savings of about 630k if Newton is released. Not much there. The Texans haven't signed any OTs, and the draft is still a month away. No need to make that move now. And as BigBull suggests, the Texans may want to look at Newton at guard.
Seems hard to believe he would have made any performance incentives. I understand the money aspect of it, but you get what you pay for so why would you keep a guy just because he is cheap? If he can't play, then who cares if he is cheap? Lot's of other terrible, cheap players available. A bird in the hand?

Now using him at guard makes more sense although, guard play was not as much of a problem as the RT play. Having Newton as depth at right guard might be ok.

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Basically, it is cheap to keep him, nothing more, nothing less.
Yes I get it, but as I said above, why keep a player who cannot play just because he is cheap?

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I don't know what to think of newton. I saw some things technique wise that made me question John Benton as a line coach. Guys making the same mistakes over and over. Seems like the line got progressively worse under him.
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1. We are probably drafting a RT and therefor Newton will be only depth

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2. Maybe he was never suited for the ZBS and that was why he failed miserably?
Ok, but ZBS has nothing to do with pass protection right? I was not complaining about his ability to run block even though he was terrible at that also, I was specifically talking about pass protection. If Newton is playing for the Texans in 2014, I don't care who is back there. They are going to face constant pressure on the right side. Hopefully O'Brien is better at giving help to someone who is getting burned over and over if Newton remains a starter.

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Now using him at guard makes more sense although, guard play was not as much of a problem as the RT play. Having Newton as depth at right guard might be ok.
I disagree that guard play was not the issue. The poor play at LG was probably more of the reason for DBrown's season than his toe (or whatever injury he was dealing with).
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I don't know what to think of newton. I saw some things technique wise that made me question John Benton as a line coach. Guys making the same mistakes over and over. Seems like the line got progressively worse under him.
Benton is certainly no Alex Gibbs.
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Because believe it or not, we drop Newton, and we're even worse at RT. We'd be left with Quess and Williams, two guys that have never played a snap of a regular season game (not even going to mention the question marks with Williams).

A better question would be why haven't we signed a veteran tackle as insurance yet?
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Seems hard to believe he would have made any performance incentives.
Most likely, those incentives were simply tied to games played specifically at RT. With his short arms, at the Draft for that reason Newton was deemed by many to project better at guard. Of course, the Texans have shown that they are willing to try short-armers at RT (Winston).
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I disagree that guard play was not the issue. The poor play at LG was probably more of the reason for DBrown's season than his toe (or whatever injury he was dealing with).
Yep, BOTH were definitely a problem. And his unrested turf toe was definitely a significant factor in Brown's down year. But Brown was forever looking to his right while cheating to the right to compensate Smith's poor play. That contributed to a decent share of the D managing to get outside and around Brown too often.
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Though certainly his play has been very inconsistant (and that's putting it mildly/politely), Newt is cheap and we are still very thin at OT. And BTW, it's not like the previous regime didn't try to shore up things at RT. They did draft Williams last year in the third round expecting him to be the next RT and another potential fix at RT in Quess and yet had the great misfortune of losing both for the season to injuries. We've got a long ways to go until September, we might end up with more possible candidates to play RT than we know what to do with.
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Yep, BOTH were definitely a problem. And his unrested turf toe was definitely a significant factor in Brown's down year. But Brown was forever looking to his right while cheating to the right to compensate Smith's poor play. That contributed to a decent share of the D managing to get outside and around Brown too often.
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Default Re: Why is Derek Newton Still a Texan?

If Newton wasn't here, everyone would know we were targeting Greg Robinson. That's the only thing that makes sense.
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