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Old 03-06-2014   #141
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It's kind of unusual for me how he has all 3 QBs right next to each other. It's like he couldn't find a place to put them and just put them all in one spot.

Kiper is so dumb. I guess most of his wild swings are over until next week when he likely shoots Donald up about 10 picks. That should be the last one unless something weird happens.
Just you wait! You'll see... Mel-Hair-Gel is smart!!
Remember how he right he was about Reggie Bush

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Well, he's better with QBs. what about how he called Brady Quinn being a superstar! Yeah, that's the guy he was real high on...

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About 61 minutes.

That does it for the Kiper call. We now return you to your regularly scheduled inanity.

Kiper said Jarvis Landry was never going to be a speed guy. "He's sure handed, can play inside or outside. He's a two or three. Always been"

Kiper thinks the most underrated RB in the draft this year is Terrance West. He thinks he carried his team.

Kiper thinks five guards go in the second or early third, with Nevada's Joel Bitonio among them.

Kiper: I would not be surprised if 2016 if we're talking about him as a tight end.

Kiper on Logan Thomas: I he doesn't get it done at QB, then you could have a potential tight end on your hands.

Lol, Kiper rates Logan Thomas as a 4th or 5th rounder and could be a TE, but thinks there's a possibility he gets taken in the second round

Kiper thinks an interesting pick for Dallas is Anthony Barr. He'd be the only pass rusher in play for Dallas at No. 16.

Now Kiper wonders if AJ McCarron is a right-handed Matt Leinart.

Kiper said there isn't a better open-field tackler in the draft than CJ Mosley. He has him going No. 21 to Green Bay.

Kiper thinks Zack Martin of Notre Dame could be in the mix for Pittsburgh in the first round because of his versatility.

Kiper says Cyril Richardson has dropped into the fourth round mix.

Kiper doesn't think a guard goes in the first round. Mentions David Yankey as the first guard.

He thinks the Rams will be a "trending" team after the draft if they can keep Sam Bradford upright.

Kiper thinks the Rams could be active as well, moving down from No. 2 or up for No. 13.

He thinks teams could be on the move for LTs, WRs or a player like Eric Ebron.

Kiper thinks the Browns and Falcons could be active on trades during the draft.

Kiper just said Khalil Mack would be "a real nice pick" for Houston at No. 1.

Kiper thinks Michigan's Michael Schofield could be a starting RT in the NFL and a third or fourth round pick.

Kiper thinks top 10 is a little high for HaHa Clinton-Dix, who is more in the 12-25 range of the first round.

Even with Eric Decker, Kiper thinks the Jets could choose a WR in the 1st round.

Kiper says CB Walt Aikens really helped himself at the Senior Bowl and is in the third or fourth round range.

Kiper thinks Jace Amaro is a round two or three pick. 0_o

Kiper thinks Ss Clinton-Dix and Pryor are both first rounders, but Pryor is a fringe 1st. He thinks Deone Bucannon drops to the third round.

Kiper just dropped a nugget on Kendall James of Maine, his eighth rated CB. Called him the biggest sleeper CB in the draft.

Pointing out Greg Hardy, Jared Allen, Everson Griffen, Kiper says you don't have to take a pass rusher early if you scout well.

Kiper still sees Moncrief as an early second round pick, or possibly first to a team in the back end like Seattle or Carolina.

Kiper: Donte Moncrief is an enigma. You would have thought he dominated college corners. Didn't materialize into (a top 10 player).

Because of the disinterest in the position, Kiper thinks Mizzou RB Henry Josey could be a priority FA.

Kiper said the consensus from teams is that Kony Ealy is a fringe first round pick.

Kiper thinks the Lions should still be in play for Mike Evans, but a TE or a CB is possible if they're ranked that highly.

Kiper thinks Kyle Van Noy is as third rounder as a versatile LB and Cody Hoffman is an early Day 3 pick.

Kiper also mentioned AJ McCarron as a possibility for the Browns in the second round.

Kiper said if the Browns don't take a QB at four, Derek Carr or Jimmy Garoppolo could be in play at 26 or in the second round.

Kiper views WR Brandon Coleman as an early Day 3 pick in the draft.

Kiper has Tajh Boyd as a round 4-7 pick.

Kiper thinks Sammy Watkins No. 4, 5 or 7, depending on where the QBs land.

Kiper thinks Kony Ealy is a late 1, early 2. DeMarcus Lawrence is round three player for him.

Kiper said Ebron is a glorified wide receiver. "He's a threat a great, great receiving entity."

Kiper on Ebron and the Giants: They certainly could use an Eric Ebron. If he doesn't go 12, he could fall to 17.

In his latest mock draft, Kiper has Johnny Manziel No. 8 to Minnesota, but could see him go as high as three.

Kiper sees San Diego and New Orleans as spots for Auburn DE/OLB Dee Ford.

Kiper thinks that OT Greg Robinson will grade out as the top player on some teams' draft boards.

Kiper thinks Beckham is a 1st (KC or Clev., maybe NYJ), Jeremy Hill is a 4th or 5th rounder and Jarvis Landry a second rounder.

Kiper said Clowney is still a top three talent, but not to St. Louis. He thinks if Houston passes a team will want to trade with the Rams.

Kiper thinks round three or four for Bruce Ellington of South Carolina. Early Day 3 for CB Victor Hampton.
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1. Houston Texans: LB Khalil Mack, Buffalo
The Texans are in some ways like Kansas City drafting at No. 1 last year in that they don't fit the profile of a team drafting so high. The personnel situation isn't terrible; the defense can keep them in games; they have a new head coach who has a good track record with quarterbacks and may not be content to wait on a rookie QB to develop when he could be winning. Mack is a fit in most systems, but he'd excel in this system as a pass-rusher and a player who can back up and make plays in space and to the edges. Houston hasn't been active in free agency, but Mack can fill a role and be a key contributor early for a team that can start winning again. And it's been almost a full year since a player from the MAC went No. 1, right?


2. St. Louis Rams: T Greg Robinson, Auburn
Even with the strange change of direction on Rodger Saffold, given the concerns about Jake Long's ability to stay healthy, starter ability at tackle is still a major question, and the Rams can't afford to be thin up front in 2014. I think this is an obvious spot where a trade could happen, but if you have the chance to draft a potential star at tackle in the same year you need to find out if the QB you've paid a lot of money is worth it, you may not want to overthink it. Robinson can be a special player, and the Rams would improve up front with him around, starting in Week 1.

3. Jacksonville Jaguars: DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
The Jags have done some work in free agency, with the addition of versatile defensive lineman Red Bryant among the notables. And while they need a quarterback, I don't think they'd pass on the most talented player in the draft if he's around at No. 3. The Jags decided to re-sign Chad Henne, and while I don't think they did so based on the idea he's an immovable object at starter, I do think they believe they can win football games with him starting if they improve everywhere else. And Clowney certainly improves a pass rush that we've been talking about as a draft priority for way too long.

4. Cleveland Browns: QB Blake Bortles, UCF
The Browns have already released Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell. In other words, the writing is on the wall and the depth chart has a pretty big vacancy. So they'll keep Brian Hoyer as a possible starter and draft a QB at this spot knowing it's not such a bad place for a young QB to succeed, given their ability to pass-block up front and the fact that they have some dangerous weapons in the passing game in Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron. Yes, I can see either Teddy Bridgewater or Johnny Manziel here, but this is a bet on where the Browns end up after evaluating all of them closely.

5. Oakland Raiders: QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
The Raiders are actively trying to improve the offensive line in free agency, the Rodger Saffold soap opera not withstanding. Austin Howard is the one name in the fold so far. This is a possible trade-down slot given the many personnel needs this team still has, but it'd be hard to pass on the most NFL-ready QB in the draft, and a player who could help turn the franchise around. The current QB depth chart in Oakland simply doesn't promise much, so Bridgewater has the potential to play early and not just survive, but change the fortunes and direction of the franchise.

6. Atlanta Falcons: T Jake Matthews, Texas A&M

7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson

8. Minnesota Vikings: QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
As I talk to teams, I get the sense there's a great deal of uncertainty around the quarterbacks in this draft. But there's a point where uncertainty turns into a reasonable bet, and Manziel at this point on the board is closer to the latter. There are some decent weapons in place in Minnesota for Manziel. There's a great deal of uncertainty on the defensive side of the ball here, but it doesn't outweigh the questions at QB. Manziel could be the solution and, drafted here, there's no question he'd come in with a chip on his shoulder.

9. Buffalo Bills: T Taylor Lewan, Michigan

10. Detroit Lions: WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M

11. Tennessee Titans: OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA

12. New York Giants: TE Eric Ebron, UNC

13. St. Louis Rams: S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama

14. Chicago Bears: DT Aaron Donald, Pitt

15. Pittsburgh Steelers: CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State

16. Dallas Cowboys: DT Timmy Jernigan, Florida State

17. Baltimore Ravens: WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State

18. New York Jets: WR Odell Beckham Jr., LSU

19. Miami Dolphins: T Zack Martin, Notre Dame

20. Arizona Cardinals: CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State

21. Green Bay Packers: LB C.J. Mosley, Alabama

22. Philadelphia Eagles: S Calvin Pryor, Louisville

23. Kansas City Chiefs: WR Marqise Lee, USC

24. Cincinnati Bengals: LB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State

25. San Diego Chargers: CB Bradley Roby, Ohio State

26. Cleveland Browns: WR Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State

27. New Orleans Saints: DE Dee Ford, Auburn

28. Carolina Panthers: T Cyrus Kouandijo, Alabama

29. New England Patriots: DT Ra'Shede Hageman, Minnesota

30. San Francisco 49ers: CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech

31. Denver Broncos: LB Chris Borland, Wisconsin

32. Seattle Seahawks: DE Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame
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Kiper still has Bama OT Kouandjio in Round 1 http://dlvr.it/58x9nJ

Kiper: Lewan could have been top OT in 2013 http://dlvr.it/58wqDw

Kiper: Jaguarss won't pass on DE Clowney at No. 3 http://dlvr.it/58wRr7
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Kiper: Jaguarss won't pass on DE Clowney at No. 3 http://dlvr.it/58wRr7

More "evidence" to the strength of the QBs in this class. They've traded Gabbert away & signed Henne... but they'll pass on Bridgewater/Bortles/Manziel something not right.
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More "evidence" to the strength of the QBs in this class. They've traded Gabbert away & signed Henne... but they'll pass on Bridgewater/Bortles/Manziel something not right.
History would suggest that following Jacksonville's lead in the draft is not a very good idea.

That's not to say that this is a great QB class because it isn't. But I wouldn't use other teams' evaluations to make my decisions.
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And they aren't necessarily signing Henne to be a starter. It's not starter money for sure.
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And they aren't necessarily signing Henne to be a starter. It's not starter money for sure.
It's for sure not backup money either. $5 mil is way more than a typical backup.
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More "evidence" to the strength of the QBs in this class. They've traded Gabbert away & signed Henne... but they'll pass on Bridgewater/Bortles/Manziel something not right.
Quoting Mel Kiper and using him as 'evidence' is a slippery slope. He blows in the wind every gust that comes through. I think he's one of the least credible sources to use to validate a point.
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And they aren't necessarily signing Henne to be a starter. It's not starter money for sure.
So they are signaling that they'll take a starter in the first & Kiper still has them not taking one of the "big three"

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Quoting Mel Kiper and using him as 'evidence' is a slippery slope.
Yeah... in my defense, I did use quotation marks ("evidence")
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So they are signaling that they'll take a starter in the first & Kiper still has them not taking one of the "big three"



Yeah... in my defense, I did use quotation marks ("evidence")
Good call. I didn't even notice the quotations. Carry on then.
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It's for sure not backup money either. $5 mil is way more than a typical backup.
Eh, there's only 4.5 guaranteed. Veteran backups run in that area if you are talking about guys that have been starters at some point. Fitzpatrick got a little less than than from the Titans last year. Chase Daniel is on the books for 3.4M this year. Kyle Orton is 5M on the salary cap (assuming he's not cut).

On the other hand McCown got 500k from the Bears last year and 5M from the Bucs to be a starter.

My guess would be if the Jag's draft a QB at 3, Henne doesn't start. If they wait until round 2 or later, he'll be a starter for some of the year, but is unlikely to be the guy by week 8 (barring injury of course). He's also unlikely to get the second year as he is more expensive than normal.
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So they are signaling that they'll take a starter in the first & Kiper still has them not taking one of the "big three"
If Clowney is at 3 and the Jags aren't smart enough to take him they will be inundated with juicy trade offers.
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Kiper: Garoppolo has most upside of all QBs
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ESPN's Mel Kiper believes Eastern Illinois QB Jimmy Garoppolo has the most upside of any prospect at the position.

"The reason I say upside is because if he would have put him in a major college program, where would he rank? Probably top five or top 10," Kiper said, adding Garoppolo has a super quick release. Rotoworld's Josh Norris also lists Garoppolo as his fifth quarterback, but questions his feet in the pocket and specifically under pressure. Kiper believes Garoppolo could go a bit later than he should due to playing in the FCS.
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For this, I'm the GM -- for every team. Typically I'm asked to project picks. But for the "Grade A" draft, I make them. Each pick I select what I might for that team, in that spot, based on who is gone and who is available. Best outcome for each team at each spot.

The ground rules

1. At each slot, I make a pick in the best interest of only the team with the pick. I won't pass on a player at No. 5 just because I like how he fits better at No. 7.
2. There are no trades. I note team needs, but not all picks are specifically to hit a need -- same as the draft.
3. This is NOT A PROJECTION. It's more a look at how I currently value players at each slot.

You'll find the roundup for each team's draft haul below, but I've also included a pick-by-pick version so you can see how the order of the picks progressed and get an idea of who was off the board when each team selected.

Pick-by-pick Rounds 1 through 3.
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Houston Texans

Top needs: QB, RT, OLB/DE

Round 1 (Pick No. 1) DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
Round 2 (33) QB Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois
Round 3 (65) CB Bashaud Breeland, Clemson

Analysis: Quarterback is obviously a big need, but I'm simply not willing to forgo the high likelihood of stardom for Clowney -- at a critical position no less -- for the risk associated with taking one of the available quarterbacks so high. It's simply too big a leap in terms of value on my draft board. I'm not going to worry about system fit. Romeo Crennel and Bill O'Brien are smart enough to find a way for Clowney to be effective -- and he will be special. I consider Garoppolo a potential NFL starter, possibly a good one with O'Brien's guidance, and with one star in hand I'll take him ahead of Derek Carr early in Round 2. It's a little ahead of where I have him rated overall, but again, the value associated with the position is factored in against scarcity, and I take my shot. Cornerback isn't a huge need, but I like value for Breeland there, and it's impossible to have too many effective corners in the NFL of 2014. I think the pick at No. 1 represents not just how special Clowney is, but that this team is too good on paper to be waiting on a rookie to develop on the job. Take one at No. 1, and that's what you get.
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Pick-by-pick Rounds 1 through 3.
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Top needs: QB, RT, OLB/DE

Round 1 (Pick No. 1) DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
Round 2 (33) QB Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois
Round 3 (65) CB Bashaud Breeland, Clemson
I don't know much about Breeland, but I am on board with the first two picks.
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Analysis: Quarterback is obviously a big need, but I'm simply not willing to forgo the high likelihood of stardom for Clowney -- at a critical position no less -- for the risk associated with taking one of the available quarterbacks so high. It's simply too big a leap in terms of value on my draft board. I'm not going to worry about system fit. Romeo Crennel and Bill O'Brien are smart enough to find a way for Clowney to be effective -- and he will be special. I consider Garoppolo a potential NFL starter, possibly a good one with O'Brien's guidance, and with one star in hand I'll take him ahead of Derek Carr early in Round 2. It's a little ahead of where I have him rated overall, but again, the value associated with the position is factored in against scarcity, and I take my shot. Cornerback isn't a huge need, but I like value for Breeland there, and it's impossible to have too many effective corners in the NFL of 2014. I think the pick at No. 1 represents not just how special Clowney is, but that this team is too good on paper to be waiting on a rookie to develop on the job. Take one at No. 1, and that's what you get.
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I'm not really a Kiper fan, but I do appreciate the way he explains his rationalizations throughout the article.
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I don't know much about Breeland, but I am on board with the first two picks.
I borderline despise Kiper, but I can dig the first 2 picks as well
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I have this feeling we're going to be a bit blindsided by who OB tabs at QB if we go elsewhere at 1-1. I'm not seeing Garopolo.

Breeland I highlighted as a later round pick. Perhaps he'll rise, but I'd like to see who's available there at 3-1. I do like adding a CB. I'd draft one every year.

Kiper is becoming more annoying, as he does when drafts approach. Everything has to be to the nth degree -- screaming louder, future Hall of Famer, total bust... headline seeking adjectives. Pish.
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